If the benefit of having a Zeta in 3.0 is not worthwhile - new players will suffer

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Originally Posted by kyuven

If they add LOOT to the story quests and primals, even if it's airship parts or something else, it'd solve the problem.
Also people seem to be forgetting that the new raids won't be available for 2 weeks after launch, and that i135 gear will VERY likely be stronger than the base gear we get at 60 (since they've mentioned the current "cap" they have to work with is 200 for iLevels, the new gear at 60 will probably only be i140-i150, with Alexander Normal gear probably starting at 150)

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I predict...
3.0:
Level 60 base gear will be i140 at best.
Uncapped tome gear i150
Alexander normal i160
Capped tome gear i170
Alexander savage i180+item to upgrade capped tome gear to i180
3.1:
New 24 man raid i170+item to upgrade capped tome gear to i180.

To make Alexander savage more interesting, it could even be i190 with i190 otherwise only attainable with 3.2.

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Originally Posted by DoctorPepper

Fact is that I don't know what they're going to do with Zeta weapons and neither do you because they haven't actually given any details. All I said is that people will be pissed off, which is a fact.

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Yoshi already talked about it , we know that Zeta isnt going to continue in Heavensward and that Zeta users will get an advantage for the new relic (maybe avoid the fist steps of the quest ...stil unknow)

New relic will start on 3.1 btw.

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Originally Posted by Warlyx

Yoshi already talked about it , we know that Zeta isnt going to continue in Heavensward and that Zeta users will get an advantage for the new relic (maybe avoid the fist steps of the quest ...stil unknow)

New relic will start on 3.1 btw.

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I know Yoshi talked about it, he didn't ever say what the advantage will be though, and he's made plenty of statements where he changed his mind later (look at personal housing for example). People are just speculating that it will help you with progression when it could be something completely different such as a ilvl/stat bonus, or the ability to retain the stats you chose during the scroll stage. Any bonus would be better than simply handing out free 1st stage relics to replace them.

Like I said, I'm fully expecting them to screw everybody with a Zeta over, that way I won't be disappointed regardless. Problem is that people simply won't participate in a new grind if they know that every expansion their progress is going to be erased after 100+ hours worth of effort with nothing to show for it. They already announced there will be a token system to obtain raid weapons of your choosing in 3.0 so that already gives people less incentive to grind for a weapon to begin with.

Please, hear the wise words of this OP.

It's not because I own too many relics, and most of them over-novus.


It's not because I own too many relics at all, totally.

I admit it, I have too many relics and I wouldn't like to see that effort throw to dust... But!... Also for the new players, yes, think about them!

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Originally Posted by Adrian74

Please, hear the wise words of this OP.

It's not because I own too many relics, and most of them over-novus.


It's not because I own too many relics at all, totally.

I admit it, I have too many relics and I wouldn't like to see that effort throw to dust... But!... Also for the new players, yes, think about them!

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If new players don't need any full pre-made party then i think they will be able to get 2.0 relic and zenith/beyond pretty easily. I think we're getting Mac version of this game too right? So maybe new Mac users will -hopefully- populate the servers with new players then they could get paired up with one another.

There's a few solutions behind this, that or they can have us run back to the older dungeons in the process of our new 3.0 relics.

Endless possibilities of outcomes. :o

I may be just a little tiny bit too hopeful on this situation though.

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Originally Posted by Warlyx

Yoshi already talked about it , we know that Zeta isnt going to continue in Heavensward and that Zeta users will get an advantage for the new relic (maybe avoid the fist steps of the quest ...stil unknow)

New relic will start on 3.1 btw.

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He hasn't even said they will have an advantage. He's only said that players who have completed the relic would be "taken into consideration", which could literally mean anything. He could award you the title "The Grinder" or mail you three pink dyes, and his promise will have been fulfilled.

I do not think the current relic line needs to be "worth it" for old content to survive in the future. They have more than enough ways of sending us back through the old content without even factoring in the current relic quest.

It will help that we'll be able to enter dungeons with less than 4 players.

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Originally Posted by Songi

It will help that we'll be able to enter dungeons with less than 4 players.

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I still wondering, how will exactly that help at all? The queue won't be faster because one less DPS enters the dungeon... And in fact, the dungeon will be slooooow. And, except if you have worth people, some dungeons may be impossible in certain DPS checks. (Sastasha hard 2nd boss. )

All of this would be useful, IF, and only, IF, there won't be item level sync in dungeons, so the new 3.0 gear will be useful on those... But I doubt it, if they do that, the 'normal' will be to clear dungeons of 2.0 in 10 minutes, and of course, with 2 DPS.

Maybe..the new relic quest is basically the current i80-90 relic line but instead of giving you say...an i80 curtana, they just give you an i120 excalibur and then the process of turning it into i90 will give you the zeta. The i80/90 relics are thrown to the way side by adding them to an npc seller in north shroud or dungeons. This way, the new player has to do all the steps of hydra, chimera, ak, primal, etc to get the i120 and then grind for the i130 while the zeta players can start right away for the 'new' i135+ step. Any new zodiacs and zetas made in 3.0 will come with their relic stats selection and will have to be remelded from scratch if they want to customize it. So new players that just started will be stuck with those stats unless they have the money or time to get it recustomized.

Maybe that's what yoship means by advantage? It sounds horrible right? But because it sounds horrible that I think it's plausible..

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Originally Posted by Adrian74

I still wondering, how will exactly that help at all?

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It will at least allow the newcomers to enjoy the dungeons at their own pace like they want to. Sure, it's not going to bring veterans back in there but it shouldn't be on us to hold their hands and carry them through the dungeons anyways. I'm going to guess the dungeon will be scaled down a bit in difficulty with less players (less mob hp, less trash, lower incoming damage from enemies, etc).

I'd much rather them give us 2 paths we can complete a Relic in the expansion: A casual "at your own pace" method like it is now where you go back and do old irrelevant content and a hardcore path where you have to complete certain challenges in current tier raid content to get each objective of the Relic quest done.