Steps of Faith . . .

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Originally Posted by Conando

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truth be told, they aren't demanding.

1-31 requires you to smash buttons
32-50 additionally requires to move out of (sometimes not indicated) AoEs
lv 50 duties are the same BUT you can utterly overgear them so that it returns to the 1-31 tier of content

Then comes SoF, the one duty where you actually have to play as a team to succeed. Where you are actually FORCED to play the basics of a MMO.

Want to blame the team on something ? Blame them for making idiot-proof content all the way up (even though Titan when i70 was a thing was pretty hard), not because they actually made a fight corresponding to the genre of the game.

Enough idiot proof content. Force people to get better at their job to progress. That's already a solo player game's mechanic, why can't it be applied in a MMO ?

I agree with Kuwagami. This game needs more non-faceroll content tied to the main quest. It literally forces people to work together, which is a good thing in an MMO.

The scales have tipped a bit far into just loldps everything and I think SE is trying to correct this. SoF is a wake up to all players of things to come in Heavensward IMO.

I don't think you two are realizing that it doesn't work that way. People aren't going to see SoF as Square-Enix trying to make them get better at the game, and they're not going to use it as an incentive to get better. Instead they'll wait for a nerf, or if it isn't nerfed, they'll stop giving Square-Enix money.

Edit: This also isn't something that's easily surmounted in European servers where there's a high chance you'll be in a group where every player doesn't even speak the same language. If you're not expecting there to be changes, I don't know what else I can say. It's going to happen, because duty finder groups just aren't cooperating well enough outside the Japanese servers.

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Originally Posted by Conando

I don't think you two are realizing that it doesn't work that way. People aren't going to see SoF as Square-Enix trying to make them get better at thegame, and they're not going to use it as an incentive to get better. Instead they'll wait for a nerf, or if it isn't nerfed, they'll stop giving Square-Enix money.

Edit: This also isn't something that's easily surmounted in European servers where there's a high chance you'll be in a group where every player doesn't even speak the same language. If you're not expecting there to be changes, I don't know what else I can say. It's going to happen, because duty finder groups just aren't cooperating well enough outside the Japanese servers.

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Except that DF groups are first/second try clearing this at a very impressive rate, and you don't really need to speak the same language as the people your playing with since NPCs are guiding the flow of battle and giving everyone instructions.

I'm curious - How would you nerf this? Taking away mechanics isn't a nerf, its a new trial. They could lower the bosses health, but you'd still need to hit him with 1-2 dragon killers, making such a nerf pointless, since you still have to work together.

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Originally Posted by Conando

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Well then it's a real shame. I failed to notice when MMOs became solo games because ain't anybody got time to talk.

And please don't treat Europeans as people who are unable to understand/speak basic English. You can even use the game translator or google translate if there is the need...

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Originally Posted by Bodicca

It's not fun. It's a gimmicky POS that has no business being in the roulette.

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gimmicky? so the first real fight in the game with mechanics other then "dodge the thing!" is a gimmick? I found this fight fun as hell. and i hope they put more fights like this where its not just a giant circle room wher eyou tank and spank while dodgeing Shiny shit.

I'm not sure what ideal duty servers your on, but I inevitably end up in a group with at least 2-3 people who barely scratch the ilvl 90 requirement to even enter the fight. Add to that tanks that no matter how much you tell them will never drag adds into range of cannons before the dragon is on top of you. And no matter how well you communicate something and ask if anyone has any questions no one will do what they're instructed to do or admit that they don't understand. It's part of the trial roulette, so it needs to be on equal footing or removed entirely. I don't even attempt it anymore. I take my 30 minute debuff to clean my house or whatever then go back to light farming on mahatma.

This seriously needs a nerf of either the add's/boss' health, the boss' movement speed, or at the very least a freaking echo buff.

Why in God's name was it not introduced with an echo buff?

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Originally Posted by Nova_Dresden

Why in God's name was it not introduced with an echo buff?

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You do know what the echo buff is for, right?

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Originally Posted by Bombast

Except that DF groups are first/second try clearing this at a very impressive rate, and you don't really need to speak the same language as the people your playing with since NPCs are guiding the flow of battle and giving everyone instructions.

I'm curious - How would you nerf this? Taking away mechanics isn't a nerf, its a new trial. They could lower the bosses health (I mean really, Vishap has only a little over 200,000 less HP than Bahamut Prime), but you'd still need to hit him with 1-2 dragon killers, making such a nerf pointless, since you still have to work together.

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Yes, a simple nerf would be reducing Vishap's HP (It does have a LOT of HP for a story quest trial). Or they could increase the time it takes to fail (that's more what I'd expect them to do) or lower the amount of adds. Of course, they could even just make it more clear what people have to do, for those who refuse to communicate for whatever reason. The last one isn't really a nerf, though, just a tweak. Actually, a friend of mine suggested something like a introductory cutscene that was like a mission briefing. People will probably still want to just rush in, but at least it would help those who are genuinely confused.

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Originally Posted by Kuwagami

Well then it's a real shame. I failed to notice when MMOs became solo games because ain't anybody got time to talk.

And please don't treat Europeans as people who are unable to understand/speak basic English. You can even use the game translator or google translate if there is the need...

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If you saw WoW in the last half decade, you would see the writing on the wall. And the fact of that matter is, it is an issue whether it offends you or not. There will be people who don't want to communicate with those outside of their own language out of some sense of pride. It goes for English speaking players too, I've seen plenty of them not even try to figure out what a Spanish or French speaking player is saying, when it's more simple than it is for those other players to translate English and its strange grammar. Also, please tell me where in the game's auto translate is there something to tell unknowing players to use the tethers, or to tell the tank how to position the adds.

Hardest part of that fight is getting the snares and dragonkiller switch in time. Took me a couple runs to figure out what the snares were though >< Tanks just have to keep the adds under Vishap and cannon spam.