135 weapon damage scaling

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Originally Posted by kehn

Felis, DoctorPepper did you 2 read anything i said? cause im pretty sure your comments are redundant... except the part about the relic... no one here is talking about the relic, not sure why you felt compelled to talk about that. i'm talking about ilvl and weapon damage

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I wrote no word about relic

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Originally Posted by Zaft

They do not, however, have the same attack speed. It's an important thing to note for Paladin, who uniquely benefits from increased attack speed (Sword Oath).

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Attack Speed depend on the weapon sub-type
like Long Bow versus Short Bow

Dude this is not shocking imo.

From 115 to 135 weapon my dps increased from 490 to 530 in average T10 runs for example. Fact is i can hit 560 if i feel sexy. Ii admit that I tend to be a bit lazy now that the stress is gone

My average Fire I without crit was 1090ish with the Nexus and it is 1205 now (If this ever makes sense as im stacking SSp not DET)

your 10% "only" increase doesnt seem abnormal :-) it is already a big jump.

I raised the ilvl of my belt by 22% and didn't see anywhere near a 22% increase in damage, the system is broken!!!!

You also realize +2-3 dmg on the weapon at ilvl 80-90 is a more significant increase than the same increase at 125-135. In order for the DPS increase to be linear with ilvl, it would have to scale the DMG of the weapon instead.

Since they are making the DMG static with ilvl increase, the returns to DPS will be the stat that scales. And it will in effect be diminishing returns as the base damage increases, the 2-3 point increases become less % of an improvement.

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Originally Posted by kehn

secondary stats which is almost irrelevant to dps

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lol

Take away Spell Speed from a BLM and see how he feels about secondary stats being irrelevant.

As for your "scaling" - I guess you don't realize that a smaller % increase of a big number can be equivalent to a bigger % increase of a small number. Basic math, as you said right?

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Originally Posted by gamesmart

lol

Take away Spell Speed from a BLM and see how he feels about secondary stats being irrelevant.

As for your "scaling" - I guess you don't realize that a smaller % increase of a big number can be equivalent to a bigger % increase of a small number. Basic math, as you said right?

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Do you have documentation of a spell speed blm vs a lets say det or crit blm doing a lot more dps? cause i'd like to see that.... as for the second part i'm not sure what you're talking about or how that's relevant to the conversation. are you saying that a 1 which is 1% of a hundred is 10% of a 10? ok... i guess....

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Originally Posted by Ultear_Milkovich

Dude this is not shocking imo.

From 115 to 135 weapon my dps increased from 490 to 530 in average T10 runs for example. Fact is i can hit 560 if i feel sexy. Ii admit that I tend to be a bit lazy now that the stress is gone

My average Fire I without crit was 1090ish with the Nexus and it is 1205 now (If this ever makes sense as im stacking SSp not DET)

your 10% "only" increase doesnt seem abnormal :-) it is already a big jump.

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i wouldn't call it a big jump... but yeah i don't think it's abnormal is just a bit of a disappointing design

Curious, how much DPS were you expecting to gain going from 115 to 135?

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Originally Posted by kehn

i'll try to measure dps again when i get 2 pieces i'm missing from coil and have everything BiS.. but right now i went from roughly 500 dps to just 540 ish from 115 weapon to 135 when in reality the expection was closer to 580/590

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Well assuming you actually do have BiS (or close to - I can't see your gear since you logged out as a different class), and assuming your numbers are tested on a dummy then yeah you're not maximising dps sorry. I barely see an opener under 600 and hover around the 575-610 mark over three minutes in gear like mine that is still missing a fair few pieces from Coil.

I don't think I've ever seen 540 even at my lowest point of damage.

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Originally Posted by kehn

Do you have documentation of a spell speed blm vs a lets say det or crit blm doing a lot more dps? cause i'd like to see that.... as for the second part i'm not sure what you're talking about or how that's relevant to the conversation. are you saying that a 1 which is 1% of a hundred is 10% of a 10? ok... i guess....

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If secondary stats are "irrelevant" then I would like to see documentation that shows a relic with, say, max vit/skill speed melds as opposed to ss/crit ss/det crit/det stacking up.