New Jobs Starting Level Discussion

The most logical numbers for it, given that 1 and 50 have both explicitly been ruled out, are 15 and 30.

15 would skip the solo "tutorial" levels that really only take a few hours of play anyway, and send you straight into dungeons, which is one of the best ways to level up and gives you experience with other players that you will need for any job. The only thing you'd be bypassing here is essentially useless for anyone who has leveled anything at all in this game anyway.

30 would see consistency with the other "jobs" in the game, though that doesn't really mean much since these new ones don't operate off a base class anyway. In addition to the consistency, 30 is kind of right in the middle, where you're getting actual rotations and situational options coming into play, rather than just spamming the same few basic attacks.

Any other level would seem pretty arbitrary to me.

Were I a betting man I'd say 30 safely. However what needs to be realized is that all of that is subject to change. Yoshida could have an epiphany today and say okay guys you are starting at 40. Or he could say 20 for all we know. Fact remains until he actually reveals the information it is still being thought of and he is baiting us. Most likely he has the com reps feed info to him and dev team based on what he revealed and they'll make the decision from there. Just my two gil...

I see no reason why they would downgrade your level from 30 to 15 after unlocked it. We know for a fact you have to level a character to 30 to unlock the new jobs since SE have said this already, this can only be done by leveling a pre-existing class since they are not adding any new classes...so will probably be any class would use for the leveling 1-30. Once reach 30 and unlock the job it would make no sense to then reduce your level from the current 30 back down to 15, so what is far more likely is once unlock at 30 you continue from 30 and the skill sets from the new job will probably replace your old class skills, whether all at once or through a series of job learning quests combined with a new set of basic starter gear for that class with an ilvl appropriate to a level 30 character.

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Originally Posted by Snugglebutt

I am guessing once you level any class to 30 if pick up one of the new jobs it will replace your current skills sets with job ones. One thing is certain however, you will have to level a character to 30 to unlock the new jobs.

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Ok I think the picture is becoming more clear. My understanding from this is that I have GLD lvl'd to 30, I can now go get me a DRK souls stone, and use my GLD skills, and my new DRK ones when I earn them, yes? What of MRD? That is 30 as well...if I decide to use MRD to unlock DRK, do I use those skills? If so am I locked into using only those skills and not both or a mixture of both?

Guess my real question is, from what I remember, DRK, MCH, AST were all NOT supposed to have base classes, just be jobs. Jobs though need the base class skills to operate. Job specific skill come from the job once earned through LVL's and quests.

I guess that is where my confusion lies. DRK will not be a job that uses only 5 skills, neither AST or MCH. SO, whose class skills will it use, and at what lvl should it or would it start at?

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Originally Posted by Synestr

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I am betting you can level (any) class to 30 and then the new jobs becomes unlocked, the jobs are not linked to previous classes because those classes have a lot of incompatible skill sets with the new jobs and as such my guess is once unlocked at 30 from the relevant job NPC it will then give you a basic gear set including weapon to use with the new job and then you embark on a series of job related quests which both teach and give you job skills to replace previous class ones that get removed after unlock and equip the new job stone. There is no new classes to go with the new jobs, the previous classes are just going to be used to unlock it at 30 so makes sense that once unlocked your previous skill sets are replaced by job specific ones.

Your previous class skills will cease to exist after unlocked and equip the job stone is my guess, they get erased and replaced by new job ones which are both gained and learned through job NPC quests once unlocked. Included with that unlock would be some basic starter skills opened up to you immediately after unlocking that job on that character through that NPC. I would be very surprised if I am not close in my theory of what will happen. You wont be using any previous class skills I am guessing after unlocking/equipping the new job except those which are cross class type allowed on the new job (maybe) and skills which pick up and obtain from the job NPC(s) from that stage up until level cap probably through a series of teaching quests.

I do not think will only be given one new skill at 30 once unlock the job and 1 new one every 5 levels, it is far more likely it will remove all previous class skills when equip the stone since the new jobs are not very compatible with the old classes which you used to level and unlock the job and you will be given a few job skills to start with and more from the job NPC through job training quests to bring it up to par with average amount of skills the old class system used. A lot of this is hypothetical but the hypothesis is based on known facts then extrapolated. I might not be right about everything but I doubt I will be far off the mark.

The leveling of 1-30 will only really impact new players making new characters though since you could just use your pre-existing characters which have already surpassed the level requirement of 30 to unlock and make one of the new jobs on that character regardless of which classes you leveled past 30 on that pre-existing character in my opinion since if recall they said want to move away from the class system on these new jobs in which case any class being used to unlock is fine, they just need to erase and replace the old class skills with new job ones when equip the stone using methods like I described above in order to have the old class not impact the new job.

I doubt it will be any class levelled to 30 it is a JOB so it is likely to be a combination of the 2 classes that it uses its cross class skills from to unlock it.

For instance you can start any class at anytime but one you get that class to 30 you need to level its secondary class to 15 to unlock the quest. I wouldn't be surprised if for example DRK needed Warrior and Black mage levelled to 30/15, so you don't get the people who have levelled Whm to 30 and start as Drk in Haukke with no clue on how to tank.

I would also assume that the new jobs will be completely separate from what classes are used to level it from as in it won't use any base skills other than the cross class ones. Considering it is completely based on the weapon that dictates your job and abilities. You would just be unable to equip any great swords until you have unlocked DRK.

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Originally Posted by Firepower

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I think it will be any class to 30 personally, though I could be wrong. Just for the purpose of debate however what 2 classes would you assume need for unlocking and using Astrologian and Machinist then since your premise is the idea that will need specific classes as opposed to mine which implies requires any leveled to 30 unlocks their use, especially given no matter which class you level it will have many incompatible skills gained from 1-30 so it just makes more sense to me any class unlocks followed by erasure and replacement of old class skills with new job ones combined with a basic set of gear/weapon for use on that new job once unlocked. Gaining a few replacement skills to start with and gaining more through simple and quick job learning quests to make up the number skills lost from the erasure. I am not sure they will even use cross class skills since doing so would not break away from the old class system which I think they are trying to ditch, it might be that there will be no cross class skills on these new jobs and instead will be given more base skills instead but that is just a guess.

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Originally Posted by Snugglebutt

I think it will be any class to 30 personally, though I could be wrong. Just for the purpose of debate however what 2 classes would you assume need for unlocking and using Astrologian and Machinist then since your premise is the idea that will need specific classes as opposed to mine which implies requires any leveled to 30 unlocks their use, especially given no matter which class you level it will have many incompatible skills gained from 1-30 so it just makes more sense to me any class unlocks followed by erasure and replacement of old class skills with new job ones combined with a basic set of gear/weapon for use on that new job once unlocked. Gaining a few replacement skills to start with and gaining more through simple and quick job learning quests to make up the number skills lost from the erasure. I am not sure they will even use cross class skills since doing so would not break away from the old class system which I think they are trying to ditch, it might be that there will be no cross class skills on these new jobs and instead will be given more base skills instead but that is just a guess.

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Erasure?

But seriously I agree with you. Though it could have been a mistranslation, Yoshi stated that we'd need to unlock any job to gain access to the "extra jobs" that are MCH/AST/DRK.

Yeah I just say lv15 due to the duty finder situation and that there are no base classes for the skills for the old content.

They could rework it, as for the scholar they just used the skills from arcanist. Though I do like a lot of your thoughts and it seems a lot of you have been pondering where we will start at.

I honestly think though that if the learning curve is too high we might have issues at which lv they are at if they use the duty finder at a higher lv like 30 and they have no clue what abilities they have and make those lvs a big pain to do content with other players playing the new jobs and honestly I feel the safest route would be 15 for this reason cause it gives them time to learn early on when mechanics don't get too much for learning players.

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Originally Posted by Rahsch

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I think your coming at it from the wrong angle as a way to justify dropping your base level back down to 15 since your current issue is overcome by how many skills the job NPC gives and series of training quests which include unlocking more skills after unlocked the job itself in order to replace the now potentially useless class skills unused by the new job, plus could bring the number of skills up to a decent amount on par with current level 30 classes on top of training you how to use them through those quests.

If you used the excuse of removal of the need to level a 2nd class to 15 however which is a combination of Firepowers theory and yours then you could possibly justify more so the idea of dropping by 15 levels after unlocking at 30 but I just don't imagine that will happen personally. SE as far as I know never mentioned a requirement of 30/15 on these new jobs, just leveling a single class to 30 unlocks them, plus they want to distance these jobs from the old class system so reliance on that old system in such a way would be counter productive to that goal.