What's worse is when they use Doton on single targets. I swear, I see it cast on bosses who are below 10% in nearly every 24-man. /sigh. I almost wish the Devs. would just remove the skill completely.Quote:
Originally Posted by Clarkamite
Ninjas: Where did SqEx go wrong?
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03-02-2015, 11:50 PMtreuhavik
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03-03-2015, 12:19 AMTex_Mex
I don't think that it is so much a problem with ninjas, as it is a problem with inexperienced players.
It is very common to see players who:
1) Do not understand the mechanics of the game (DoT's, Buffs, GCD's, etc.)
2) Do not yet know boss mechanics so their rotations suffer because they cannot concentrate on them
3) Have not stumbled upon (or researched) proper rotations
4) Do not understand their skills or how to use them efficiently
5) Have fresh 50 gear
It is very obvious to spot players suffering from these issues, especially in 24 man content. MMO's tend to have overly complicated mechanics that are not obvious to first time players.
Now sure, I get a little annoyed when my experience is lengthened by the struggles of bad/new/inexperienced players; however, the only solution is to help them to learn and develop their skills. Just vote kicking them and moving on is very toxic for the community. Try and spend some time teaching them and they will get better over time.
Patience, friend -
03-03-2015, 12:27 AMsiverstormMan, if vote kicks happened for sub optimal (read: terrible) play 9 out of every 10 goons I see would get the boot. No HT, random abilities being used out of combo, etc.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mazerat
Unless they're causing constant wipes for whatever reason it's never going to be a reason for me to kick them (I've had the occasional group that after several attempts still couldn't meet dungeon dps checks). -
03-03-2015, 02:30 AMSlappah"I wish they'd remove a perfectly good skill because bad players are bad"Quote:
Originally Posted by treuhavik
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03-03-2015, 02:56 AMtreuhavikIt's not like it's a great ability to begin with... Nine times out of ten, if a good Ninja is using Doton, it's because they messed up their combo.Quote:
Originally Posted by Slappah
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03-03-2015, 03:21 AMSlappahGood ninjas rarely if ever botch a ninjutsu to begin with.Quote:
Originally Posted by treuhavik
Katon>kassatsu>doton is very strong, with each tick of doton critting.
Saying you want the ability removed because bad players use it at the wrong time is the stupidest thing I've ever heard. -
03-03-2015, 03:26 AMtreuhavikHighlighting the rarity of Doton's usage by good Ninjas.Quote:
Originally Posted by Slappah
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03-03-2015, 03:33 AMSlappahIt doesn't matter how often an ability is used. You're ignoring the point.Quote:
Originally Posted by treuhavik
By your logic lets remove sleep, and tridastor, and miasma 2 -
03-03-2015, 03:45 AMTex_Mex
Doton still has some great uses, though most of them involve dealing with trash. And I agree with Slappah on this one. You can't remove an ability just because bad players don't know how to use it. By that logic, you would need to remove a LOT more.
What about Flare? I see BLM's all the time casting flare while they have full MP, effectively destroying their DPS output lol. Is that grounds to remove it? I think you would have a billion angry BLM's if you tried lol -
03-03-2015, 05:14 AMDenebPunkinAnd nothing of value will be lost =D.Quote:
Originally Posted by Slappah