Have we gone too far?

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Originally Posted by Odeda

This is what bothers me the most. I see where you're coming from, with some I agree and some I disagree but I can also see why the devs would want to make them that way. All but for a true non-main-healing support class, for that I can't see why not.

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Because leveling that would be oh so fun. The things OP mentioned are not in any recent MMO because they don't make a good game, or decent money. Look at Wildstar for an example of "hard core" and see how well that worked out.

They (the rose tinted nostalgic group who think it works today) are the minority as proven by the other MMO attempts (again Wildstar, Darkfall, Archage) that failed. Then they get what they want and it's too hard.

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Originally Posted by reality_check

-0 death penalties.

-Anywhere in the world accessible within a teleport and 30 second run.

-No claiming systems.

-0 difficulty story quests.

-0 difficulty leveling systems.

-Completion of 98% of the game's content without having to make any friends.

-98% of open world content solo'able with minimal gear and minimal effort.

-Access to all the game's instances and dungeons within two clicks of a button.

-No use for trade currency aside from vanity and minor quality of life perks. 1

-Abolition of pure support roles.


..How far the pendulum swings.

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Most of that stuff doesn't bother me. I have other games for my "hardcore" fix. As was stated, its built like a theme park and that's fine. The only thing I truly miss on that list is Support Classes. I miss my old party structure from back in 11 when Rangers shot arrows and Bards handled the buffs.

nope, very pleased that all the points the op made are NOT in game.

:)

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Originally Posted by Asierid

Because leveling that would be oh so fun. The things OP mentioned are not in any recent MMO because they don't make a good game, or decent money. Look at Wildstar for an example of "hard core" and see how well that worked out.

They (the rose tinted nostalgic group who think it works today) are the minority as proven by the other MMO attempts (again Wildstar, Darkfall, Archage) that failed. Then they get what they want and it's too hard.

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Yeah how the eff are you gonna level a full support class? You buff yourself and autoattack ladybugs to death? Oh no no no no no.

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Originally Posted by reality_check

-0 death penalties.

-Anywhere in the world accessible within a teleport and 30 second run.

-No claiming systems.

-0 difficulty story quests.

-0 difficulty leveling systems.

-Completion of 98% of the game's content without having to make any friends.

-98% of open world content solo'able with minimal gear and minimal effort.

-Access to all the game's instances and dungeons within two clicks of a button.

-No use for trade currency aside from vanity and minor quality of life perks. 1

-Abolition of pure support roles.

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Sounds great.

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Originally Posted by reality_check

-0 death penalties.

-Anywhere in the world accessible within a teleport and 30 second run.

-No claiming systems.

-0 difficulty story quests.

-0 difficulty leveling systems.

-Completion of 98% of the game's content without having to make any friends.

-98% of open world content solo'able with minimal gear and minimal effort.

-Access to all the game's instances and dungeons within two clicks of a button.

-No use for trade currency aside from vanity and minor quality of life perks. 1

-Abolition of pure support roles.


..How far the pendulum swings.

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If you want FFXI, go play FFXI

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Originally Posted by Illya

If you want FFXI, go play FFXI

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Worst answer ever.

I think Yoshida's been doing a great job. Now if only he'd get rid of leveling...

Shades of grey. Some of these things can be considered "modern" convenience while others are to appeal to the broader audience for more subs. I would like a nice middle ground myself.

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Originally Posted by QiLymePye

Wasn't it in FFXI where if you died, you lost exp? i thought that was so cool...

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Yes. You could also level down if you died early into a level.