Ehhhh, I have some major issues with that translation of those lines. First of all, the 己が罪から目を背けた ("The people of Ishgard are blind to their sins") line is past tense, indicating that the sins Midgardsormr is speaking of are things that occurred in the past. "Their sins demand battle without end" is not an accurate translation of the next line at all. A better translation would be "Those sins are the coals which have lit the ceaseless fighting." In other words, the fighting that's happening now is still over stuff that took place a long time ago.Quote:
Originally Posted by Thistledown
The line after that says nothing about Ishgard plotting or "wanting" to do anything, just that they are trying to sin again. There's nothing in the Japanese to indicate that they are doing so purposefully or with knowledge of what they are doing.
I would take that translation with a grain of salt, to be honest.
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01-27-2015, 03:41 PMLunaHoshino
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01-27-2015, 03:51 PMVelox"Hearken to me, Hydaelyn! I remember...and I consent."Quote:
Originally Posted by Alenore
The key word here is "consent." Basically, Midgardsormr got permission from Hydaelyn to remove the shield she put up. Why? If Hydaelyn granted Midgardsormr that power and authority then she must have had a reason. Hydaelyn knew her power was waning. She gave her chosen one a way to stave off the Ascian threat because YOU (the adventurer) were new and inexperienced, having only recently been awoken. Hydaelyn herself knew that you would be fated to cross paths with Midgardsormr. She knew that, by that time, you should learn to rely on your own power rather than the power she lent to you. However, although we don't know her exact fate as of yet, it's obvious she knew she would not be able to remove it herself (perhaps many eons ago she foresaw her own demise and entrusted Midgardsormr to fulfill her final wishes). This is part of the reason why Midgardsormr won't kill you. Once you beat his spirit, he realizes that YOU were the one Hydaelyn prophesied about all those years ago. He knew it was time to fulfill the promise/charge he was given and strip the Blessing of Light from you. He elects to watch over you (in the small form) to guide your path. He blatantly tells you his children heard the call and will attack, which he is admitting he cannot stop (and probably wouldn't if he could, he is still a dragon and still sides with his own kind). He is essentially telling you, "You can stop it if you can prove yourself by standing on your own two feet for once instead of relying on borrowed power." He WANTS you to succeed in stopping the endless bloodshed between his and your own people and instead unite them, something that had never been done before. He just knows you will need help doing it.
Hydaelyn taught you how to ride a bike with training wheels (gets you from point A to B, but requires little skill). Midgardsormr is there to rip them off and force you to learn without their help (gets you from point A to B, but makes you work harder for it). -
01-29-2015, 07:13 AMKaiser-Ace
The way Midgurdsormer kept going on about "Keeping his covenant" I think we were SUPOSE to visit him earlier than we did. After all it all most seemed like (From what I heared in the EN Dub) he was suppose to help us achieve out next level of power. We still have the Echo, the fact we understood Nebralius not long after was proof of that, but it seems like he took the power we got from the 6 elemental crystals (From what I remember of the Sylph Elder's dialog in the MS I think they're connected to the primals in come way) and gave us something else in return. Heck the way he made a "Mini-Me" avatar to follow us around in almost seems like he'll be fighting along side US in 3.0. (There is also the subtle hints from the 3.0 Dragon Mount Teaser. "We can't reveal the name yet but he will serve an important roll in the plot.")
So I have no doubt he's not our enemy. But whether or not he's our friend and not just a begrudging allie remains to be seen. -
01-29-2015, 07:21 AMlololinkI don't think this covenant is directly related to us, but is a pact between Hydealyn and Midgardsormr to protect the world against the darkness or something like that, and since we are Hydealyn's chosen one he wants to help us even if he has doubts on our skills, because he trusts her.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kaiser-Ace
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01-29-2015, 07:27 AMKaiser-AceThat's a valid point. We as the Player Character might not have played any significance in the Covenant it's self being as he's a combination of Surprised, Disgusted, and Amused that he can't out right kill us due to being Hydealyn's "Chosen One".Quote:
Originally Posted by lololink
So that seems to add more to the idea that he's begrudgingly helping us rather than actually caring about our well being him self. After all think of what the Allagain did to the Myeracidians and imagine the fact that Ishgaud and Garlemauld would be more than happy to do the same to the Dravanians. It seems to Dragon-Kin and the Humanoid races haven't exactly been known to have good relations with each other. -
01-29-2015, 05:43 PMAryalandi
I can't understand why this is such a huge debate, its obvious in both translations that Midgardsormr is going to help us, or at the very least see for himself if we are even /worth/ helping, why should he spoon feed us any information he hasn't already?
Midgardsormr is ancient, godlike, and has every reason in the world to hate humanity, we are 20-something adventures who in his eyes have been handed undeserved power we barely understand..
He doesn't need to hold up a sign that says I'm on your side for that to be obvious, him deciding to let you /live/ should make that self explanatory