Craftsmanship vs. Magic Craftsmanship

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Originally Posted by Geesus

Precisely. I use my hammer for ingots just because idk, they're flat? O.o LOL But to each his own. I found the same issue when repairing gear. Why would you use a spinning wheel to fix an already made cloth item? In RL you wouldn't, you'd use a needle. And SOMETIMES, switching hands during high level leves helped me actually complete the quest when the main hand may have been failing. Now that also may have been my gear but idk.

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Well, there is more to which tool you use than that too. The tool you use on nuggets/ingots for example determines the type of HQ. For example, using the primary you will get extra nuggets/ingots if you HQ the synth. Using the secondary, you will get +1/+2/+3 versions instead when you HQ.

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Originally Posted by KalaKenshu

I don't really believe the shards from fish. I've ALWAYS maxed my magic craft while sharding fish, and never had problems.

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I screwed up on this. Yes, sharding fish is magical.

I think that each recipe should clearly state if it is magical or standard. If main hand / off hand influences this, it should be easy enough to list on the window that pops up after selecting main hand / off hand.

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Originally Posted by zerrith

I think that each recipe should clearly state if it is magical or standard. If main hand / off hand influences this, it should be easy enough to list on the window that pops up after selecting main hand / off hand.

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It is usually easy enough to see which type a recipe is, in 2 synths. Sometimes it may take more, but you should be reasonably confident by the 5th.
Do once with craftsmanship focus.
Do once with m. craftsmanship focus.

Compare the following values:
Min Quality Gained, Max Quality Gained
Min Durability Loss, Max Durability Loss
Min Progress Gained, Max Progress Gained (doesn't work well if you are way above recipe rank since max is capped at 20, use quality instead).

In general, if you use the correct craftsmanship, both the min. and the max. values will increase.

Other more subjective basis will be the number of "booms" and instability occurrences.

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Anyway, it is not too hard to determine which type, so whether this is displayed or not is not really of consequence.
I am more concerned with what is the magic number for each recipe to aim for.

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Originally Posted by tymora

Anyway, it is not too hard to determine which type, so whether this is displayed or not is not really of consequence.

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It is of consequence. I don't want to spend 5 synths testing for every 1 synth I really want to do. Some materials are very difficult to obtain... this is why a collaboration of our experiences would be useful.

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Originally Posted by tymora

I am more concerned with what is the magic number for each recipe to aim for.

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Hmm?

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Originally Posted by Amiricle

Well, there is more to which tool you use than that too. The tool you use on nuggets/ingots for example determines the type of HQ. For example, using the primary you will get extra nuggets/ingots if you HQ the synth. Using the secondary, you will get +1/+2/+3 versions instead when you HQ.

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Very true and I did miss that point so thank you Amiricle for the addition. :)

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It is of consequence. I don't want to spend 5 synths testing for every 1 synth I really want to do.

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The type of craftsmanship appears to be the same for each type of item. (i.e. All wires, all ingots...etc)
So you can always try it out of a dirt cheap version of the recipes. No one is asking you to try using things like Dodore leather.

I thought it was tied to the stat favored by the class's tool? Str, Vit and Dex are craftmanship and Int, Mnd and Pie are magic craftmanship.

Alchemist: (MH/OH) Int/Pie
Armorer: Vit/Str
Blacksmith: Str/Mnd
Carpenter: Vit/Dex
Culinarian: Mnd/Pie
Goldsmith: Dex/Int
Leatherworker: Vit/Int
Weaver: Dex/Mnd

I bet it's more complicated than that though. I bet there are a lot of interdependancies worked in there too. Just looking at how many different jobs can use the same training manual, lets us know the answer isn't simple or cut and dry. It's probably some percentage based factoring in everything including the crystals. Maybe some synths are 705/30% favoring magic and some maybe 90%/10% favoring craftsmanship.

Considering that they are going to be implementing an NPC who talks to you about recipes and then progressing to a navigatable menu showing known recipies, could the need for physical or magical craftsmanship be included in the information said NPC provides?