Request: Racial Gear Expanded (Dyeing, Interchangable)

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Originally Posted by SeleneVenizelos

It's been a frustration since launch that there isn't any immersion anywhere into the races and their backgrounds and a piece of clothing hardly fills this void.

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I never said it "fills a void", I said it's one of the only few aspects of cultural uniqueness we even have. I'm trying to say I think it'd be disappointing to remove it.

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Originally Posted by SeleneVenizelos

The only reason I'd suggest race specific gear not being exclusive to its original race is because the whole concept is outdated with the advent of the glamour system. It was originally designed to stop every new player looking identical - but we don't anyway thanks to glamour. Mission complete, handshakes all round. Time to let it go and raise the exclusivity, in my opinion, or at least release some remotely similar gear for other races to glamour in.

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New players can't use glamour until they're level 50, at which point they aren't really new and then have access to myriads of options for glamour. Honestly I am quick to forget that it requires you to have a level 50 job first too.

Though again, I reiterate it's just my opinion that it'd be disappointing for the exclusivity to be lost. You seem to be concluding I am saying that I don't think they should do it.

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Originally Posted by SeleneVenizelos

I did my best to ignore the needlessly belligerent tone in your replies, but this is just too much. You're using pink Gallant armour, so I think it's safe to call you a hypocrite here? ;)

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Regardless of whether you think my tone is "belligerent" or not, what relevance does me having augmented Gallant armor glamoured have anything to do with this topic at all? My posts have been opinions about RSE exclusivity, not dyes. Besides, if you really cared that much to look at my Lodestone, at least pay attention, it's dyed purple.

And the post you are quoting is simple matter of fact. Poser, imitator, follower, etc. If you are trying to pose as another race with their clothing, you are a poser. Does it necessarily mean its bad or that the term is slanderous? No, it is just simply that. People imitate fashion in real life all the time.

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Originally Posted by SeleneVenizelos

I did my best to ignore the needlessly belligerent tone in your replies, but this is just too much. You're using pink Gallant armour, so I think it's safe to call you a hypocrite here? ;)

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That's purple and don't hate on purple! :D
I do agree though that the game needs more expansion upon racial lore and that the idea of racial segregated gear is a rather archaic idea. All this though, I can definitely understand the pull of having the starting gear remain as such as there is basically next to null racial differences or uniqueness unless you pay attention to Duskwrights during general quests and the highlanders/miqotes in Southern Thanalan. I do also understand the desire to have this gear available to everyone and to release restrictions that as are as I said; old and archaic.


Somewhere in the middle lays the path that can satisfy both sides of the argument and give the races their own uniqueness while maintaining equality.

I still prefer unique racial animations for battle stances, skills and magic casting but alas. :p

Also I do want to ask, how does using dyed gallant armor make Madotsuki a hypocrite? It is not like she is using gallant armor on say, a monk or warrior. (though that would be nice to have my armor be able to show warrior AF when I'm on paladin so it doesn't default to Noct armor lol)

Hey! I have nothing against purple! :)

And of course you are both entitled to your opinions, and I thank you both for contributing to the discussion. The biggest beef I have is when people use lore as some kind of excuse for game design, decisions, limitations or exclusions that make no sense at all. Racial gear is, in my opinion, one of them. Using racial culture as a reason to keep this exclusivity is as redundant as saying it'd break lore. A piece of clothing is not racial identity. It never will be, either, no matter how much we long for it. Yes, there are a few mentions in quests about certain races or their behaviour, but there's no lore on it. I'm talking back stories, histories, that kind of thing. Something that, story wise, separates the races apart and really throws us into the thick of their history. A piece of clothing? It's only racial culture because that's the only race that can equip. Remove that limitation and it's just another piece of clothing. Doesn't sound like a very convincing piece of identification to me!

I mean really. Any level 50 Weaver could easily make a Miqo'te skirt to fit a Hyur. I don't really see how that's "racial identity" other than a falsely generated sense of exclusivity based solely on that race being able to use it. It's not like the gear gives them super powers or is tailored specifically to their race. It's just another skirt that only Miqo'te can wear. Nothing about that provides Miqo'tes with any kind of racial identity. Throw a pair of Roegadyn budgie smugglers on a Highlander and it's the same deal. Just another piece of equipment that, for no reason whatsoever, they decided would be exclusive to their race.

Edit: I had no idea glamour was for level 50s only. Thanks for enlightening me there.

I'd certainly like both things to happen; of course the request to wear other race's gear is more work on SE's part to implement.

Dyeing the stuff should be no problem to add though.

Edit: As for the lore thing, adventurers are supposed to be different than normal folk. Considering the lore in this game says that the same dye can be used "to dye anything from cloth to metal" it's pretty unrealistic that a dye that can do that can't do that on whatever gear you'd want to do it on.

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Originally Posted by SeleneVenizelos

A piece of clothing? It's only racial culture because that's the only race that can equip. Remove that limitation and it's just another piece of clothing. Doesn't sound like a very convincing piece of identification to me!

Just another piece of equipment that, for no reason whatsoever, they decided would be exclusive to their race.

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Doesn't change that at the end of the day, the starting gear for the races is intended to come off as garments that reflect an aspect of their culture (however small we have of it) and likely the race's homeland. The devs made that design choice, whether you like it or not. Do you not acknowledge cultural clothing in real life, too?

Also, I like that you completely dodged calling you out on labeling me a hypocrite.

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Originally Posted by Madotsuki

Doesn't change that at the end of the day, the starting gear for the races is intended to come off as garments that reflect an aspect of their culture (however small we have of it) and likely the race's homeland. The devs made that design choice, whether you like it or not. Do you not acknowledge cultural clothing in real life, too?

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I've got to be honest. This argument is just as silly as when people tried to say AF gear would never be dyeable.

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Originally Posted by Cutie_McSnuggles

I've got to be honest. This argument is just as silly as when people tried to say AF gear would never be dyeable.

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Once again, I'm stating why I think it would be a disappointment if RSE lost its racial exclusivity.

Am I saying it shouldn't be, or that everyone should be agreeing with me? No, I'm only stating my own opinion.
Am I saying it won't ever be? No, read my posts instead of trying to criticize me based off your own conclusion.

Or have I missed a new forum rule that says you can't have differing opinions?

I would love to be able to dye my racial clothing! I love the starting Elezen dress, just a shame the boots aren't one piece. But the shoe part is very multi-functional, so it works.

I personally like the idea of race-specific gear. There is lore flushed out already for the general personalities of every race, and the race-specific gear enhances that I think. I personally would like to see more versions of the hempen gear that changes appearance per race.

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Originally Posted by Madotsuki

Doesn't change that at the end of the day, the starting gear for the races is intended to come off as garments that reflect an aspect of their culture (however small we have of it) and likely the race's homeland.

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But what are you basing this assumption on? I don't see anything in the game to indicate that the races dress the way they do because of culture. You keep repeating this argument but there's no source for it whatsoever other than how you perceive it. You should stop treating your opinion as fact.

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Originally Posted by Madotsuki

The devs made that design choice, whether you like it or not. Do you not acknowledge cultural clothing in real life, too?

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Real life? I'm sorry, this is a fantasy game. I don't buy into the selected realism argument so you might want to try another approach. If we got into a realism debate I could easily justify removing half the contents of this game.

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Originally Posted by Madotsuki

Also, I like that you completely dodged calling you out on labeling me a hypocrite.

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Does it need explaining? I didn't think it worth a response. Whether you agree or not is something I honestly couldn't give seven shades of excrement about.

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Originally Posted by Madotsuki

Or have I missed a new forum rule that says you can't have differing opinions?

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Come on now, really. This is really hypocritical. You've done nothing but belittle other people's opinions. You're the only person I've seen going out of their way to do what you're complaining about being done to you.

If it's not meant to be tied to racial culture, why do we even start with RSE? They could have simply made generic starter gear (like low level hempen clothes). Yet we begin with specific gear thats determined by our race. That's as far as it goes, though.

I never at any point said people were subhuman or that they should feel bad for wanting more glamour choices. But if you feel threatened and bullied somehow, sorry?

I've said my thoughts on my opinions enough already. If you want to keep quoting me and tacking on buzzwords and accusations with no backing, go for it dude.