PLD dealing with these rediculous speedrun parties... A little help?

While in a degree I do agree that WAR have more arsenal for keeping group aggros over PLD, over months I've played both tanking jobs and I discovered their own strength/weaknesses, and use them to my advantage. PLD already has great arsenal of AOE aggro via Flash & Circle of Scorn which also add dots on mobs

Marking mobs for priority kill also a big plus. As for me, I realize later on that dungeons on pre-level 50 and post 50 plays quite differently. As for post lvl 50, learning to maintain aggro for groups even more important than ever. This is why I stopped marking mobs for some time, so that I can practice on aggro management better, especially if you wanna do speedruns.

And because of this, I find personally that PLD are better suited for speedrun stuff, once you have mastered maintaining aggro as groups. WAR could, but kinda bit complicated since their AOE aggro are conal instead of circular like PLD, that and having WAR literally as punching bag making they hurt more despite whatever total health point a WAR does have.

Again, there's no real preference over what tanking job best over what, so just experience both if you want and use whatever make you feel more comfortable based on strength/weaknesses of each tank jobs.

As PLD you become a viewer at some point, if speedruning with a good BLM/BLM combo.
There is nothing you can do to keep aggro from 2 BLM using 3 buffed Flares each.
Flash spam and CoS are our only AoE enmity tools. And you will run out of MP if you can't use Riot Blade combo, which you can't use because you have to spam Flash to keep hate. "Insanity!"

PLD isn't built for keeping hate from multiple targets while others deal AoE damage.
WAR on the other hand, has an easy time holding hate against anything. Overpower and Steel Cyclone are so strong that not even 2 BLM will rip hate from you.

CoS needs an enmity boost and PLD should get a passive trait to increase hate generation of Flash. A enmity bonus for Shield Swipe would be nice too.
SE buffed Warriors, now it's time to look at PLD.

EDIT: I play PLD and WAR and clearly favor WAR when running dungeons.

I end up not using my hate combo for those big pulls in speed runs. I face pull everything (if a dps or a healer gets trigger happy it can screw me, but the only time I do speed runs is with my FC and they know better than that) and Flash/CoS as soon as it gets into a pile. I Flash several times then use my Riot Blade combo to keep my mana up so that I can keep using Flash. We usually run BLM/BLM or BLM/BRD and I have yet to have major problems with them yanking hate off me en masse when running this way. One mob here or there is dealable with Provoke + Shield Lob. Then again, like I said, I only run SR's with my FC and they know how to handle it if they do start pulling hate, i.e. move closer to me so I can get the mob back rather than kiting it away.

Try using FoF early in the pull as it raises your attack and therefore raises the enmity generated by Flash.

Are you using flash and the combo that gives you MP constantly? It's because just spaming flash doens't work. You need to be almost constantly using flash and the MP combo. Not the TP but the MP combo. Use it when you have 3 or more enemies. The TP combo just works until 2 or 3 enemies. If you are always flashing you can keep the enemity for you and if some enemy turns to other member, use provoke, shield lob and when the enemy comes to you use flash. Also, use circle of scorn always when you can, shield swipe and fight or flight

My ilvl is 88 and I can do my job well

Warrior is not that BETTER than Paladin. Warrior wasn't made to use flash so it is obvious that if he uses flash it will help him to be an even more better tank. It's like WoW, you have: warrior, paladin and death knight. Each one tanks but each one has diferent ways to do it. You just need to adapt to each one

Hello there!

How much do you have in your accuracy stat?
Accuracy is important in this game especially for Tank to keep aggro.
Except if the DPS or healers starts before me, I can keep the aggro or win it back pretty fast.

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Originally Posted by Fonou

Hello there!

How much do you have in your accuracy stat?
Accuracy is important in this game especially for Tank to keep aggro.
Except if the DPS or healers starts before me, I can keep the aggro or win it back pretty fast.

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Except there's little need for accuracy in dungeons.

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Originally Posted by Ashkendor

I end up not using my hate combo for those big pulls in speed runs. I face pull everything (if a dps or a healer gets trigger happy it can screw me, but the only time I do speed runs is with my FC and they know better than that) and Flash/CoS as soon as it gets into a pile. I Flash several times then use my Riot Blade combo to keep my mana up so that I can keep using Flash. We usually run BLM/BLM or BLM/BRD and I have yet to have major problems with them yanking hate off me en masse when running this way.

Try using FoF early in the pull as it raises your attack and therefore raises the enmity generated by Flash.

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This whole post..... This is how you aoe tank on pld. Anybody that says pld can't aoe tank clearly can't play the job.

I speed run it with two i104+ Blm's that do easy 340+ dps on turn 8. We speed run in less than 10 mins, I've yet to have any problems holding aoe threat, and one doesn't even have quelling strikes....

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Originally Posted by ZechsRaganrock

This whole post..... This is how you aoe tank on pld. Anybody that says pld can't aoe tank clearly can't play the job.

I speed run it with two i104+ Blm's that do easy 340+ dps on turn 8. We speed run in less than 10 mins, I've yet to have any problems holding aoe threat, and one doesn't even have quelling strikes....

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You know WARs can ideally run this in 5min, right? I've done it in 6 in random party finder groups.

Doesn't seem balanced.