Crystal Tower loot problems

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1. Gear that drops has nothing to do with party makeup. 0-4 casters in group, chance of drop still the same.
2. That is not what Kicking system is for, your going to get reported and if it happens enough suspended or banned.
3. Is your friend asking for gear pieces, when instance starts? I only check other party members gear, if we are failing or I like the looks of it and want to see its name. I have no problem passing if someone asks for something, (unless I have been trying to get it myself for what seems like forever,which isn't often).

You roll the Need/Greed dice, you either get it or you don't.
It's all chance, just like the item itself being dropped.

I may just want something for vanity, but if I've done it 40 times and the item finally drops, you don't suddenly get entitlement to something just because it's an upgrade for you. I put in the time, I am just as deserving.

There is already a similar thread about this: http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...0-Glamour-Need

And like LunarEmerald already wrote in that thread:

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No. Thinking you're more entitled to a drop for whatever reason makes you selfish. You both did the battle, so you both equally deserve it. It's as simple as that.

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Is pretty much what a gm would tell you, without the selfish part.

Not every ilvl 90+ person is doing the run for fun. Maybe they have been farming ct for a certain item like your friend.
Be it for Glamour or Retainer or anything. The have the same right as you do.

So just because I run CT as a ilvl 100 tank, means im not allowed to need the warrior of Light gear because you just popped lvl 50 and desperately need it more than me?

I am calling Horse S&*T on that one!

Crystal Tower USED to take 40 minutes of my time back when the one item per week lock out was still in effect. Nowadays, CT takes over an hour because of the high volume of pitiful failures..... seriously, kill the skeletons..... kill the adds.... kill the bombs... kill the adds..... the situation is always the same, KILL THE ADDS. Shouldnt take 50 levels for newbies to realize they are responsible for killing whatever pops up as priority over the main boss.

Trust me, If i am queuing for Crystal Tower, 150 myth tomes is not enough to make me hit my head against the wall for over an hour. I am queued so I can get gear, whether it be for my main class, or for all 8 alternative classes which i have already leveled to 50. If I wanted just the myth tomes, i could farm Brayflox and bring in double the amount in the time one CT run would cost me.

OP, These are your options. Realize that i will NEED any gear piece in my class that i do not already own. AND I will greed every piece of gear that it will let me roll on (the ones I do not already have). There are 4 drops in the dungeon. There is a good chance i will place a roll on all 4 pieces.... Im still looking for all the MNK pieces, a Crimson Robe, DRG head and hands, Healer head and chest, Bard Chest.

So deal with the fact that i am entitled to roll on equipment I WANT, even though i have all my characters over ilvl 80. OR wait for another tank to queue in, i would assume thats gonna put another 10-15 minutes on your queue time...... and your odds of completion will plummet too, since i can MT the entire dungeon being overgeared for it. Your welcome

...Actually if this was enforced in some way you would find a lot less people willing to run CT. I know I don't need some of the equipment, but I want to complete my sets of armor if possible. Call me completionist.
Additionally, I have some jobs around 40 that I want geared asap while running other jobs- I shouldn't have to explain why I want something or have to argue about it. If I want it, I greed and that should be end of story.

The point is, if you actually do indeed NEED a specific item to the point of tears and frustrations then you should run the dungeon/whatever as that job. If you can't (due to iLVL etc), then you're left at the whim of others, or you can gear up that job.

I've found that in my groups, if someone is ON the job and says "Hey, I plan to actually wear this and not just glamour it," most people will pass it to them. Not all the time though. On the flip side, if this guy has done as many CT runs as you claim, he probably has a lot of myth. Just buy the better i90 gear with myth earned from CT and be done with it.

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Originally Posted by dspguy

I've found that in my groups, if someone is ON the job and says "Hey, I plan to actually wear this and not just glamour it," most people will pass it to them. Not all the time though. On the flip side, if this guy has done as many CT runs as you claim, he probably has a lot of myth. Just buy the better i90 gear with myth earned from CT and be done with it.

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^^^

Not to mention they only really need enough myth gear to get i70 for coil entry and then they can get geared up the rest of the way through that.

Equal loot rights for equal participation in content is well and good, but it doesn't account for the notion that not everyone's "need" may be considered equal.

Overblown RL analogy: a geared person rolling Need purely for glamour use when there are obviously undergeared players of that same class in the party is something like a wealthy person claiming a reward of comparatively small monetary value for the sake of novelty when they had the opportunity to cede it to someone obviously in need. You could definitely make the argument that the wealthy participant was just as entitled to claim the reward based on time invested, but at the same time, you have to consider what a difference it would have made to the person who might have used it to improve their life experience.

One situation doesn't fit all, but it's not as simple as everyone's need being equal in all circumstances or it being selfish to suggest that it might be appropriate to prioritize the needs of some over others.

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Originally Posted by Cynfael

Equal loot rights for equal participation in content is well and good, but it doesn't account for the notion that not everyone's "need" may be considered equal.

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My $15.99 a month is just as important as your $15.99 a month.

Equal pay for equal work is how it goes right?

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Originally Posted by Cynfael

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If your that concerned by it just go in a premade group. Your only looting against the 8 people in your party anyways.