Yoshi-P confirms Ninja/Thief and gun-using class?

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Originally Posted by Maero

I don't think Nin will be a tank, i could be wrong.
I would think more that Dark Knight will be the new tank, no?

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Every new class that is proposed comes with droves of people kicking and screaming at the suggestion that the class could be a main tank. This game really could use a new tank job. I don't frankly care what it is - but since NIN has a history of tanking in FF online games, it isn't a stretch to assume it might be a tank again here.

I really just want happy fun times killing big monsters with others. I could care less if PLD, NIN, or WHM tanks...

I'd be stoked for a FFX-2 style Gun Mage. That way we can satisfy the need for BLU and not be copy-paste from XI.

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Originally Posted by Kirinichibon

Every new class that is proposed comes with droves of people kicking and screaming at the suggestion that the class could be a main tank. This game really could use a new tank job. I don't frankly care what it is - but since NIN has a history of tanking in FF online games, it isn't a stretch to assume it might be a tank again here.

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But then Red Mage could be a healer, not sure how well that'll roll over. Just make Viking tank and leave Ninja to DPS, like it was intended in FFXI and perverted by the community.

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Originally Posted by Kirinichibon

since NIN has a history of tanking in FF online games

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Game. Singular. There is a single instance where Ninja has been a tank. In every other instance, it's DPS. Even in the one case where it was a tank, it was a tank accidentally.

I actually wouldn't be surprised if the patch where we get NIN is actually full on Asian themed and we get SAM (as a tank) and Oracle/Geomancer (as a healer; Oracle was called "Yin Yang User" and Geomancer was called "Feng Shui soldier" as well as "Taoist").

Dark Knight + Samurai = Tanks

Thief + Ninja = DPS

Gunners = Elemental/Support role

I would be happy much ^^ (Fates, wait for me, I'm baaaaaacccccckkkk!)

*Hope SE will give us another gown for achieving 5000+ fates.. (make it 10000, forgot Atmas lol)

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Originally Posted by Exstal

But then Red Mage could be a healer, not sure how well that'll roll over. Just make Viking tank and leave Ninja to DPS, like it was intended in FFXI and perverted by the community.

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I didn't say anything about RDM. I anticipate a new tertiary/support role to be introduced, as I don't see how they can keep squeezing more jobs into the three current roles and keep up with encounter variety.

And case in point (along with a couple others after you) about folks against a particular job doing a particular role.

And nobody in this thread has yet to produce the quote from XI developers about ninja tanks or the yoshi on ninjas in this game. I don't recall that either placed ninja in a particular role - except Yoshi saying that *blink tanking would not be viable in FFXIVARR.

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Originally Posted by Kitru

Game. Singular. There is a single instance where Ninja has been a tank.

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And in how many other final fantasy games had paladin as a tank? Warrior? How many other final fantasy games had any concept of a main tank? Are any of these in ffxivarr now?

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When you see a BLM enter your party and you already know his EXACT optimal rotation and if he doesn't follow that then he is just hindering you. Perhaps balanced, but what is so special about this kind of MMO?

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Answer: In short, the ability of the development team to create challenging encounters balanced around the very well defined rotations and outputs of the classes they know will be participating in them.

I agree that it can make playing classes feel somewhat bland, but I much prefer the design philosophy of FFXIV over FFXI. FFXI was great for its time, but everyone has said that it was horribly imbalanced with some classes being able to totally overpower some content while others were practically useless. And when the class you really love is the useless one, it makes the game a lot less fun.

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And nobody in this thread has yet to produce the quote from XI developers about ninja tanks or the yoshi on ninjas in this game. I don't recall that either placed ninja in a particular role - except Yoshi saying that *blink tanking would not be viable in FFXIVARR.

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While this isn't the nail in the coffin, the excerpt from this thread comments about Thief and Ninja being a stealth class, and traditionally stealth classes do not tank. While they could break the mold with it, I don't expect that to happen.

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...s-Release-Plan.

So, for gunner what's more preferable: a gun kata tanking class or a chemist healer class?