Lancers are... ?

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Originally Posted by Snipplwits

When I am fighting nms I like to use a full STR build with 170+ and the rest is accuracy. I find myself doing as much damage as an archer with buffs (ferocity/raging strike/keen flurry or hawks eye). If I get my WS in the right spot of the BR I can do an easy 900+ dmg doomspike II on great buffalo or ueraus.

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I hate to tell you, you are not out damaging an archer. I have all the same buffs you just mentioned and even a poorly geared Archer will still break 1k in the situation you described.

Maybe when they nerf archer lancer will be neck and neck in dmg.

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Originally Posted by Snipplwits

When fighting the group nms I like to equip a lot of low tp/AoE moves to spam and throw in buffs every now and then. I find it taking down the off mobs a lot quicker than having a group on each off mob at a time.

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Same thing here; hello WideVolly II for 350-500 dmg across multiple mobs . It's faster for an archer to get rid of adds than a lancer. Especially considering you have to move yourself between the groups of mobs where as archer just needs to switch targets range distance is usually enough. There's just way more burst damage output there to take down adds faster.

TBH any adds we ever get are taken by the mages using emulate so they can siphon mp or me for TP.

Yea that's one of the main reasons I'm bringing archer up but even though I may may not always out damage the archers in my ls (they using str with bucc set + tricorne) and me in same but with temp, I guess what I should have said is that I will occasionally out damage them by 50 more dmg or so if I can add in a blindside and get the extra crit bonus on the ws

LNC have the highest dmg'ing WS in game.
LNC control enemy TP/debuff.
LNC are the best DoW soloers.

if ARC doesnt exist.(spam multshot!!!!)
LNC are the fastest TP gainers.

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Originally Posted by God

I hate to tell you, you are not out damaging an archer. I have all the same buffs you just mentioned and even a poorly geared Archer will still break 1k in the situation you described.

Maybe when they nerf archer lancer will be neck and neck in dmg.



Same thing here; hello WideVolly II for 350-500 dmg across multiple mobs . It's faster for an archer to get rid of adds than a lancer. Especially considering you have to move yourself between the groups of mobs where as archer just needs to switch targets range distance is usually enough. There's just way more burst damage output there to take down adds faster.

TBH any adds we ever get are taken by the mages using emulate so they can siphon mp or me for TP.

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ARC is stil best at extra adds like Hogs during dodore due to their burst dmg and longer range.

During Dodore, we usually have ARC and LNC in pt, ARC are lucky because Wide Volley II only cost 1000tp, but LNC arnt far behind, they can do 700-900 to each of Dodore's Minions (up to 4, 5 possible but hard to adjust) with Doom Spike II @ 3000tp. I personally did 725, 775, 790 and 820, and currently hold the highest DMG on Dodore, @ Doomspike II 1378, 2nd best is ARC at 1238 in our shell (Legacy - Bodhum).

For lancers, is best to have other side jobs that give good debuff with WS, such as Pugilist's Victimize, Gladiator's Luminous Spire, Archer's Bloodletter (for DOTs).

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Originally Posted by Synapse

currently hold the highest DMG on Dodore, @ Doomspike II 1378, 2nd best is ARC at 1238 in our shell (Legacy - Bodhum).

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15-20second fight right?

I've already popped 1.5k on him several times and that's not even the highest of our LNCs, much less ARCs.

In terms of raw damage, ARC > LNC, and that's absolutely nothing to be ashamed of. We're not that far behind, plus we bring quite a bit more to the table than raw damage. 1 LNC can make an enormous difference if they put even a pinch of effort into it. Damage may be our first priority, but maximizing the damage of our melee brethren is a close 2nd.

If everyone continues to QQ and argue about it, we'll just have lolDRGv2.0.

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Originally Posted by Airlea

15-20second fight right?

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what do you mean by 15-20 sec fight!? Dodore!?? awesome.
Also if possible could you take a screenshot of one of those several(assuming you can do it often) 1500dmg on him + your stats/attributes, i'm really interested in comparing, thx!(serious request).

*edit* If your trying to bring other threads(Life Surge vs Speed Surge: http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...vs-Speed/page3) into this - rather you not -, i feel /sigh because i'm pretty sure that discussion was mainly focused on RANK20-RANK39(Life Surge vs Speed Surge(1)) and everything said on it was from the view within those rank range. Unless you guys do NM at rank 40, then, great!

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Originally Posted by Synapse

Also if possible could you take a screenshot of one of those several(assuming you can do it often) 1500dmg on him + your stats/attributes, i'm really interested in comparing, thx!(serious request).

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No problem^^ The base stats you can check on here anytime of course. iirc, with gear my STR is 158, DEX 130, but I'll double check tomorrow. for Dod I use Banneret+1 atm. Still gathering HQ mats for Champ. Had a hell of a time getting the head to drop.

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Originally Posted by Synapse

*edit* If your trying to bring other threads into this - rather you not -, i feel /sigh because i'm pretty sure that discussion was mainly focused on RANK20-RANK39(Life Surge vs Speed Surge(1)) and everything said on it was from the view within those rank range. Unless you guys do NM at rank 40, then, great!

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No. That was life vs speed in general. Go reread the OP and subsequent posts. I had to poke you with that since you said there weren't any fights in XIV that last longer than 15-20seconds. ;)

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Originally Posted by Airlea

No. That was life vs speed in general. Go reread the OP and subsequent posts. I had to poke you with that since you said there weren't any fights in XIV that last longer than 15-20seconds. ;)

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The discussion started when i said:

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Originally Posted by Synapse

10 > 20 Speed Surge, 20 > 40 Life Surge, 40+ Speed Surge II

Speed Surge I isnt really noticible, so i would stick with Life Surge untill 40. If there is more than 1 LNC in party, find if he is using Life Surge, if so u can use Speed Surge I.

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than it lead to:

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Originally Posted by Airlea

I...I'm not even sure what you're implying in the above post.

I meant that your post about speed surge not being "really noticeable," and suggesting using life surge rather than speed surge for 20 ranks is ridiculous. Particularly coming from a r50 LNC. That was just the most polite way I knew how to express it.

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The OP was maybe a discussion between Life Surge vs Speed Surge, but our discussion was between Speed Surge I vs Life Surge, i never said anything bad about Speed Surge II because that is a really noticible stamina boost nor did i say to use Life Surge from 20-39:

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Originally Posted by Synapse

I meant the use of Life Surge in party play(solo, it varies with mob difficulty), i rather have a noticable evasion down on mob and have the party kill it faster than gain a very small boost to my stamina bar.

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Use of either Life Surge or Speed Surge depends on the mob as well as current pt set up. Im still sticking by the fact Speed Surge 1 is not better than Life Surge from 20-39 nor im saying use of Life surge is must, again it varies with pt play and mob.

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Originally Posted by Synapse

it varies with pt play and mob.

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Originally Posted by Airlea

tl;dr - Don't be a lazy LNC. Use both.

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I agree. ^5