Please Release a Difficult 24-Man

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Originally Posted by Taruranto

I've been a part of FFXI endgame for years, a game far less forgiving and that required far more dedication than this and that required an alliance to basically do anything.

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I raided in XI since NA launch till early WOG. Did absolutely every content there was to offer in the game. (Dynamis, Sky/Gods, Sea/Jailers, Limbus, 3-Kings, Salvage, Nyzul-Isle, Odin, Dark-Ixion/Worm and ZNM.) Whats your point? Mass player content will only hinder your progression and should be a thing of the past. Outside of CT (Being a Duty Finder Raid) No raid content should be 24man... There just no point to it anymore.

And actually, I am quite a social person Mr. Lalafell. I just really hate idiot players.

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Originally Posted by Balfreid

Having a FC will still never make up for AFKs, people not showing up, idiot players, idiot leaders ect.
The more people in a FC the more idiots = the harder it is to make a stable group.
Have you ever tried running your own 24man group in an other MMO? It's a pain in the ASS
I will take my 8-man content any day of the week kthx.

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I have for over 10yrs.

And you know what. FFXIV is the hardest mmo I ever had to organize in my life. It take me 4-5hrs a week to try to get my schedule together where I have exactly the right jobs in the 8 man partys, make sure those people have the same playtimes, and make sure there is enough people with experiance to win. And the crap part is even with all my work... I still have people sitting out every week being forced to party finder it.

For a guild low man IS BAD!!!! For pugs low man is good. It does not matter what your opinion is. but it is easier when running a real guild (not to be mistaken with a static. FCs with 10-12 ppl are not guilds they are statics) when you are able to incorporate the whole guild.

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Originally Posted by Gesser

What I'm saying is that we need 24-man content in line (both difficulty & ilvl-wise) with BC6-9~.

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If I can barely ever get seven other players that know what they're doing, I can't even imagine what 23 would be like, but I guess this would satisfy large FC's with good members.

A 24 person dungeon as hard as the hardest turns of BC would definitely be a good challenge, but they would most likely be able to be completed only by large good FC's, and with the current track record of trying to make content that appeals to the biggest number of people, I do not see this becoming a reality.

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Originally Posted by Musashidon

we will get the next part of ct in 2.3 :)

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Thing is I don't think CT is meant to be difficult, they've always said it would be fun easy pick up and play content.

They should definitely think about hard alliance based content though, but as others have mentioned unless they change the way alliances are built through DF the majority of groups will fail.

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Originally Posted by Jinko

Thing is I don't think CT is meant to be difficult, they've always said it would be fun easy pick up and play content.

They should definitely think about hard alliance based content though, but as others have mentioned unless they change the way alliances are built through DF the majority of groups will fail.

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Even if it's not PF, can you honestly say this will be doable content if you're not a member of a large FC? Think of how many bad EX Primal and T4 groups there are on the PF and now imagine doing content like that fit for 24 players and expecting 23 other people to know what they're doing when putting your hope on 7 is hard enough.

Who said it has to be as difficult as BC... just make it not drop vanity gear and people would be happy.

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Originally Posted by Odett

Even if it's not PF, can you honestly say this will be doable content if you're not a member of a large FC? Think of how many bad EX Primal and T4 groups there are on the PF and now imagine doing content like that fit for 24 players and expecting 23 other people to know what they're doing when putting your hope on 7 is hard enough.

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So yea it should be optional for large FC's, how about something like 24 man primals.

The loot should probably remain the same, but have 3 coffers, it gives the people who want large scale content something to do whilst not punishing smaller FC's.

I mean they could even go one step further and copy WoW with its scalable raid content.

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Originally Posted by Jinko

So yea it should be optional for large FC's, how about something like 24 man primals.

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Do we really need more variations of Primal fights?

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Originally Posted by Odett

Do we really need more variations of Primal fights?

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No, but it's expensive to produce content, and you don't want to be making content that is limited to a certain group of players. (Which makes Primal's the obvious choice)

Besides its all about variation, nobody would be forcing anyone to do it.

I guess I'm suggesting scalability instead of new/dedicated content.

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Originally Posted by Odett

Do we really need more variations of Primal fights?

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I suppose you'd at least need an alliance to take down an elder primal like Bahamut.