"If you die twice, you're out"

The vast majority of people only do this because they're impatient or want to be carried.

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Originally Posted by Hrist_Valkyrie

The vast majority of people only do this because they're impatient or want to be carried.

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That doesn't make sense. People that need to be carried wouldn't last in a die-twice-and-you're-out party.

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Originally Posted by Sholah

That doesn't make sense. People that need to be carried wouldn't last in a die-twice-and-you're-out party.

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Yes. UIt makes no sense. But that is the way, ppl do it. How much I've seen rigth befor I got my first relic ppl shouting for Titan HM in a similar way and then these ppl showed me the most bad movement at all.

all this wouldnt even be up for discussion if the *remove people* option didnt exist..

pretty simple right ?

Mei

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Originally Posted by BlackPriest

So people that want people at their skill level should be ridiculed for not taking someone near as skilled and would cause party wipes because they die to already easy content?

I do indeed create 2 death parties. And if in fact I die in them from lag or whatever I remove myself. I have the achievement for clears and 4 primal weapons. I dont want to carry people nor do I want a carry. The fact is a large portion of the player base is flat out derps. The restriction is there to scare them away. And even if they do join the party it is also there to remove them in hopes of getting the party a clear.

Duty finder and grouping with friend/fc is there to help you learn. IF you get in one of the said groups you are getting in a farm or a 1 shot group.

in short dealwithit.com

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I do something similar. Instead, I write in PF: "You may die/screw up as many times as I do + **some base number here**." So I'll give them maybe 2 free deaths + the amount of times I screw up or die. Usually this works in scaring people off. I have only had to remove a few players who were obviously new and trying to join an experienced/farming run.

I've done farming runs on Ultima where one of the WHMs would die every time. Didn't actually remove him since we were killing him every time as well. If it had been Titan Ex, though, it would be a different story...

If you're wondering why we do this, it's simply because we are not there to teach you. I have seen many, many PF groups that have formed with the "new players welcome/let's learn the fight together" tag up. It is nice to know new players have an option to join these groups (or even make their own).

If I am playing with a very limited amount of time or know that I will need to kill something 20+ times in one day for a moderate chance at an item, I don't want these players in my group. I just want people there who have done it so many times that it just becomes a dance to them just like it is to me.

You don't have to join these groups and you can even BLIST the leader of the group so you don't have to interact with them again. That might be the best thing to do for both parties.

Time is a precious resource to some. Maybe respect that? If you can't respect my wishes, I have no interest in speaking with you.

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Originally Posted by Hrist_Valkyrie

The vast majority of people only do this because they're impatient or want to be carried.

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Your logic is flawlessed.

I never join parties which threaten you with kicks, simple as that. I've got some well-geared jobs, and I know my role just fine, but I can't abide this superiority complex that some people are getting. I've seen all too many times where people want others who are more skilled than themselves to make up for their own inadequacies.

If you want respect, you have to show respect. Sadly, it seems there's very little of that to go around these days.

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Originally Posted by Hrist_Valkyrie

The vast majority of people only do this because they're impatient or want to be carried.

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Or because they never get a good team, on Monday afternoon on Titan EX we were 4 players that never killed him and we defeated him on the second try with no one dying or taking avoidable damages, why these people didn't defeat titan earlier ? Because they always get people that don't know the fight yet and instead of creating XP parties they come into normal party and if you don't scare them with the kick they always come to you.

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Originally Posted by Lemuria

If you want respect, you have to show respect. Sadly, it seems there's very little of that to go around these days.

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I'm pretty sure they don't really care about pug respect and are doing whatever it takes to get a decent team together.

The other day i joined a PTof titan eX. The message on the board was " 2 strikes and you'r out" so i joined and as WHM i got Inside the coal. DPS got to fast and they released me on the LS. the Party leader, who was a Tank sayd :" well sorry Mikoto but you'r dead.Im going to ask you to leave." i sayd Ok with ".... " because he was kickin me out of the group for 1 death (that wasnt my fault and his msg sayd 2 strike)
Some pepeol on the group try to argue with him on why i died and that i shouldnt leave, but his attitude just make me realise that this guy didnt even deserve me to stay. So i answer to the rest of the group. its ok. Thx for the try. I black list the guy and will make sure to never ever join any of is group anymore.

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Originally Posted by Hitome

So I'll give them maybe 2 free deaths + the amount of times I screw up or die.

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So when the tank fails, you kick the DDs and heals because they die?

Looooooool