New 15 minute timer is awful for Primals/Bosses

If more than half the party doesn't want to be there, and is just going to wait it out anyway, I don't see the point is in making people wait around.

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Originally Posted by BlueMage

If more than half the party doesn't want to be there, and is just going to wait it out anyway, I don't see the point is in making people wait around.

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To make people give an honest try. Trying to abandon after 1 or 2 failures isn't an honest try.

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Originally Posted by Velev

So basically if you go in and someone decides to afk in the dungeon, before you had to wait 5mns now it's 15?

Great...

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That would be a vote kick not an abandon. Unless vote kick was changed to 15 too.

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Originally Posted by Axidrain

This is lame. It's a vote. How can it be abused if half of the party wants out?

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Cause maybe encounters are suppose to last MORE than 5 minutes before calling quits

You should be able to tell if a group is hopeless or not within 5 mins really.

I.E Dying in Titan HM in the first phase = not worth it to continue.

oh no!! people will get more practice if you keep pulling and get better!! cant have that! need my vote abandon after 1 wipe!!

15 mins is too long! too much time to type out what they did wrong and help them fix it! every man for himself!!

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Originally Posted by Vivejun

oh no!! people will get more practice if you keep pulling and get better!! cant have that! need my vote abandon after 1 wipe!!

15 mins is too long! too much time to type out what they did wrong and help them fix it! every man for himself!!

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Exactly. Everyone is this game is so concerned with bad players but are never willing to give said players tips or time to improve. If you help these people, you'd run into less "bads" as you guys like to refer to them as.

Why not have it so that a Vote Abandon after 5 minutes and before 15 minutes has to be a super-majority (3/4 of the party, or rather 6/7 because the initiator doesn't vote) in a full party, and unanimous in a light party? That way if everyone agrees that it's hopeless they can all vote to just get out, but still prevent some jerks from trying to abuse it. (Just an idea, I have no idea whether it would actually work or not.)

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Originally Posted by ApolloGenX

It's annoying... you get players completely under geared and the group has to wait 15 minutes to get out bc that person or persons won't leave.

It's not abuse if half the group wants out.

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Make it 3/4 or 7/8 of the party and it should be ok.

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Originally Posted by gamesmart

(3/4 of the party, or rather 6/7 because the initiator doesn't vote)

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The initiator voted with initiating it

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Originally Posted by Lafiele

Cause maybe encounters are suppose to last MORE than 5 minutes before calling quits

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Lol. If people are wiping within the first 5 minutes I don't wanna waste my time. There's no way that party will make it through the fight with just "practice" from that one run. I've been in way too many hopeful practice parties until the timer runs out to know that it never works.