Make Classes Multifaceted

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Originally Posted by Kittty_Cat

When I started on Archer and then unlocked bard I was really disappointed. Not because Bard is bad, it's awesome, but wrapping my brain around the idea that it was becoming a DPS with support was less appealing than the idea of it becoming some more DPS heavy like a Ranger/Hunter.

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Read up on classic bards, Leliana from Dragon Age and the protagonist of A Bard's Tale. It'll make it REAL easy to wrap your brain around the idea of BRD being DPS with utility.

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So basically my suggestion to SE is that I would love to see other classes have this development. Rather than every tank class simply unlock another tank job, same with healingh and dps. Instead I would love for there to be more variety more akin to how Arcanist branched out into a DPS and a Healing job.

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That'll come with time. I can bet dollars to donuts that GLA's second job will be DPS, MRD's second job will be DPS, CNJ's second job will be magic DPS and THM's second job will be a healer.

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Originally Posted by Enkidoh

We do also cross class Blizzard II from THM after all (and originally Thunder), not to mention spells like Virus from ACN. And before you pass judgement, GEO in FFXI is virtually a rip off lore wise from CNJ.

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Oh, I'm not arguing lore. The problem is that existing mechanics do not support a second job at all without extreme modification. They DPS abilities they lack are too great in number while the healing ones they do have are too powerful to leave alone.

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Originally Posted by Enkidoh

Also considering CNJ as originally designed did have spells from the entire elemental wheel, they can easily add new spells as part of the upgrade. GEO would be a Job upgrade, so therefore it could easily adjust the healing-based abilities into DD-focused ones, like how SMN and SCH are handled.

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SCH is an entirely different beast; the class was designed with the healer role in mind from the start. SCH adapts existing mechanics for healing, like Aetherflow, Summon, and Rouse. CNJ doesn't have any unique mechanics to co-opt to fill a damage role, nor does the class have a spell repertoire suitable to attacking. You can't use Cure 1/2/3, Medica/2, Raise, Stoneskin, Protect, or Esuna to attack. The only way to get around the problem with CNJ is to completely replace spells rather than adapt.

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Originally Posted by Mardel

I know people want ARC to become a ranger eventually... but I don't see it happening unless ARC/BRD gets a massive nerf. Consider this, I would dare say atm SMN/BRD crap all over any other DPS classes. Brd is part support already... so imagine if it gained MORE dps. Why take another class? LB build? Then just BRD, RNG, SMN, RNG for your dps.

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Moreover, you'd have two jobs that play identically.

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Originally Posted by Mardel

Now onto tanks, I could maybe see LNC becoming a tank of sorts but not really. The class currently would end up just like Warrior because as we have learned sub healing (whm) on PLD blows.

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I have no idea how you got from Lancer to healing or why.

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Originally Posted by Mardel

CNJ, it could be a geomancer... but you will have to lock it out of medica II or make it so weak that there is no reason to heal. However making it have bad mnd to lower the healing it can do... why use cleric stance lol?

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You would use it to hit 80% of a WHM's Medica II. You have to completely delete one of the two abilities or your job is going to be broken.

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Originally Posted by Mardel

The absolute easiest solution to this is one people probably don't want... making each class = 1 job.

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You don't have to unify everything. Some jobs get two, and some don't. Remember that one of two jobs is effectively locked out due to bonus point distribution in the first place, so it's not much of a loss.

I said the lancer / tank portion because someone mentioned lancer = tank (templar) with white mage sub. I was pointing out that people don't use cure too often on pld. (maybe if they have nothing better to do outside stoneskin)


Also you are right, you don't have to unify everything in terms of class = job. Realistically people are going to QQ either way if the class they play a job from doesn't get a secondary class anyways.