Are melee jobs as hated on every other server?

All these statements about players being bad or most players being bad and whatnot are pretty much worthless elitist crap. Everyone acts like they're the best, especially on forums where people don't call you out on anything and people try to look cool for upvotes. But everyone has off days. Everyone has to start somewhere and learn fights. If you want to have a constructive discussion about mechanics you should just assume all players are rational, decent players.

Ultimately, melee is just straight up disadvantaged in a lot of fights and in general gameplay. Garuda XM is quite ridiculous for this. It's like it was designed to bone melee totally. Can a quote unquote "good" melee deal with the design? Yeah. But why would you even bring those problems into your group composition in the first place if you had the choice.

I decided to mainly run healer even though I main monk for Garuda XM because being a melee is just being a liability. And as a healer, whenever I run with a melee it's just such a huge risk. They will take damage and either die or take attention away from the tank in those precious seconds where they must be at 100%, eat wicked wheels and get topped off. So much less worry if melee is out of the picture. It's dumb.

And then of course the elitist people, who are actually scrubs, will talk about how bad the melee are. It's just the poor design that screws over melee.

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I think Melee job are hated in Non-Legacy Server, tho there is dislike for melee in general due to how the game is designed, Melee in Legacy servers are pretty good at it.

Saw a ranged only party finder for Garuda HM this weekend. The cancer is spreading (I sincerely hope it was just a joke).

Hyperion (OP's server too) is legacy, so it doesn't seem to matter legacy or not. The sheep see one way of doing things and just copypasta.

That's why all these groups still have the MT pull Garuda and Suparna, even though there's no reason to ever have to bother with double wicked wheel.

The whole issue really is not about how good or bad dps melee does, or how good or bad the players are. The issue is that majority of fights are designed in such a fashion that having ranged over melee makes it easier.

Give me MNK over SMN and BLM any day. Except for GEX. And.. That is it really. Is there any other fight that is so bad for melee? I can't think of one.... I rarely come across a "bad" monk, and even then it is usually just practice. Often times they switched from a ranged class and haven't learned how to manage the different style of play yet.

A lot of people say that the problem with Garuda XM is the WW that eats up melee. This should not be a problem to dodge. The REAL problem with Garuda XM is the tornadoes. You can be the best DRG/MNK in the game and dodge/tank through WW. However, you end up forced to waiting behind the tornadoes after killing Suparna for the Ranged to kill Chirada. It is a HUGE drop in DPS that is unavoidable regardless of player skill. That is the very definition of poor design. When you consider this, it makes sense that people would forgoe using melee in that fight.

If you're a melee DPS and you're having trouble with WW, you're just bad.

It just shows they need to buff Melee DPS a little more.

OMG we need a MNK/DRG they do sick dmg.

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Originally Posted by Skyhound

A lot of people say that the problem with Garuda XM is the WW that eats up melee. This should not be a problem to dodge. The REAL problem with Garuda XM is the tornadoes. You can be the best DRG/MNK in the game and dodge/tank through WW. However, you end up forced to waiting behind the tornadoes after killing Suparna for the Ranged to kill Chirada. It is a HUGE drop in DPS that is unavoidable regardless of player skill. That is the very definition of poor design. When you consider this, it makes sense that people would forgoe using melee in that fight.

If you're a melee DPS and you're having trouble with WW, you're just bad.

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Both MNK and DRG have a quick range get in your face attack. This should be used in this case.
You will avoid the dmg.

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Originally Posted by Skyhound

A lot of people say that the problem with Garuda XM is the WW that eats up melee. This should not be a problem to dodge. The REAL problem with Garuda XM is the tornadoes. You can be the best DRG/MNK in the game and dodge/tank through WW. However, you end up forced to waiting behind the tornadoes after killing Suparna for the Ranged to kill Chirada. It is a HUGE drop in DPS that is unavoidable regardless of player skill. That is the very definition of poor design. When you consider this, it makes sense that people would forgoe using melee in that fight.

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This isn't true; both classes can use their ability designed to close the distance to a target and end up undamaged.

Garuda Ex is about the only encounter where it's inconvenient to be a melee. Most of the people that play this class don't know when to back out for abilities, and the issue becomes compounded when you're in a very enclosed spot during tornado phase.