AOE Toggle Needs to GO

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Originally Posted by SeraviEdalborez

Make macros with /aoe on or /aoe off prior to casting if this is such a huge hassle. Learn how to make it WORK for you because I doubt this is going away.
Is it really that difficult to toggle? On keyboard it's as simple as hitting Z before I fire a spell off. Pretty intuitive if you ask me.

It's probably one of the most efficient things this game actually does in combat settings. I'd actually go as far as to want a constant AOE indicator in the same way the target filter is set up, just as a reminder.

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That would be cool. Hopefully not that ugly green button, though. ^^ Something less intrusive.

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Originally Posted by Rowyne

So the solution is to make a workaround?

If you have to play with macros to make it work efficiently, it's broken.

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How is what you're asking for not a work-around?
You're just asking for the game mechanics to do it for you.
You could easily do it yourself and no one will have to split any code over it at SE.
They can (gasp) work on something useful.

Honestly, I can't believe this is a legitimate concern.

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Originally Posted by Tibian

I like the fact that you address the ~AGA spells adding cannon as well. Would probably help bring "Final Fantasy" feel back to the game too.

As far as Thaumaturge healing, I totally agree. It's just pointless and mindless spam and hoping your party lives.

The removal or changing of the AOE toggle barrier/mechanic would also aid in the process of creating more fun and exciting battles (which SE has stated is the goal of revamping combat) by trying to decide what skill(s) to use at the appropriate times.



Not only that, but the scenario will end up something like this.

"I need 10 minutes afk guys."
"Why?"
"Macros."
"Oh..."

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There are plenty of classic FF games that you can single or multi target a Fire spell.
Firaga is just as classic as tabbing over enough to get your cursor blinking on all enemies.

There's no need to set macros if you just use Z or 1 macro (/aoe) before a spell.
If you want "Curaga" make CTRL+1 "Curaga" and /aoe Cure /aoe. I guarantee it wont take 20 seconds.

Enjoy the rest of your thread. I said all there is to say.

It takes more skill for a healer/nuker to control the output of their cast.

SE is putting more control in your hands - yet you say take it away?

Sounds like, your sir, can't handle the responsibility.

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Originally Posted by Prox

It takes more skill for a healer/nuker to control the output of their cast.

SE is putting more control in your hands - yet you say take it away?

Sounds like, your sir, can't handle the responsibility.

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That's why I am pushing for more skills to be used in better and more engaging situations rather than standing in the back of my group going. 2 [enter], 2 [enter], 2 [enter], 2 [enter], 2 [enter], 2 [enter], 2 [enter], 2 [enter], 2 [enter], 2 [enter], 2 [enter], 2 [enter], 2 [enter], 2 [enter], 2 [enter], 2 [enter], 2 [enter], 2 [enter], 2 [enter], 2 [enter], 2 [enter], 2 [enter], 2 [enter], 2 [enter], 2 [enter], 2 [enter].

Instead, I could be single targeting a larger heal on a tank, and then using something like White Wind which hits the entire party for a lesser amount than Cure since they don't need as much healing.

Sounds like I am running away from responsibility AND difficulty right? Please... this is a UI mechanic that clearly is a barrier for better and more engaging gameplay.

There is little to no control for healers right now because it is literally just spam.

As far as DPS and casting attack spells. Its better but not by much. Because of the issue where only one group of mobs can yield EXP at one time, the whole concept of AOE is still broken.

Yeah, except mages aren't built to be just healers.

Anyone playing Conjurer or Thaumaturge and is just sitting there healing is a waste of a party member. If you are spam curing rather than being a productive member of your party, you are not playing to your potential. You have the highest damage output over time of any job in the game. Profundity & Spirit Dart is typically just as good as any other melee attack if not better. You're arguing for more complexity but you're perhaps playing too simply.

Someday a monster may come along that requires 1500 MP worth of healing, but right now there is no such thing.

There is no "Healer" class.

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Originally Posted by Shai

You're just asking for the game mechanics to do it for you.

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Which is exactly what it should do. Anything less is archaic or unfinished.

Have you ever played anything other than FFXI? That is the only MMO I've ever played that expects you to set up macros to play correctly. You basically have to set up your own actions if you don't want to push through menu driven nonsense all day.

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Originally Posted by Tibian

Not only that, but the scenario will end up something like this.

"I need 10 minutes afk guys."
"Why?"
"Macros."
"Oh..."

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OMG, thank you for reminding me of the dark days of FFXI. I don't miss that.

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Originally Posted by Shai

There is no "Healer" class.

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Not yet. But dungeons and jobs are coming.

I guess pushing Z then enter is too much!
How lazy can you possibly be?

"Hold on guys, I need .0005 seconds."
"Why?"
"I got to push Z."
"Oh..."

There are plenty of broken things in this game.
You guys are trying to fix one thing that isn't broken, hell it doesn't even need work.

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Originally Posted by Shai

I guess pushing Z then enter is too much!
How lazy can you possibly be?

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Apparently Yoshi-P didn't think the community was being lazy when they complained about having to spam 1 all day, so we're getting auto-attack.

How is having to spam the AoE toggle any different for casters?