Tank "Guidelines"

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Originally Posted by Ronyx

Yah the point of pull with provoke is NOT to get hate its to be able to pull the mob DUH, I guess you are not a tank if you dont know that. Shield Lob range is extremly low and there are many situations in which you need a bigger range. So its better to pull with provoke than let a bard or a blm pull.

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Pulling with provoke is the same as face pulling, you get 0 aggro from it. Just run up and Shield Lob it, if someone else pulls guess what? NOW PROVOKE DOES SOMETHING :O

/factchecking

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Originally Posted by Mazi

Pulling with provoke is the same as face pulling, you get 0 aggro from it. Just run up and Shield Lob it, if someone else pulls guess what? NOW PROVOKE DOES SOMETHING :O

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true story, a waste if you already have hate. provoke is to save people

I do this now when single mob tanking.
1. Lob while running to mob.
2. Start combo while running through mob. (Fast Blade)
3. Spirits Within + Scorn for a slight additional hate.
4. Flash when in position
5. Complete started combo.
6. Resume with 1 2 3 Flash rotations adding spirits and scorn when available.

*Remove Spirits if not desirable to silence.
*Reduce flash if not desirable to get hate on everything.

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Originally Posted by Mazi

Only advice I have for tanks is STOP PULLING WITH PROVOKE IT DOESN'T DO ANYTHING xP

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I pull with provoke because it has a much smaller aggro radius than shield lob, as well as greater range. I could alternatively just pull everything at once, those are your options.

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Originally Posted by Mazi

Pulling with provoke is the same as face pulling, you get 0 aggro from it. Just run up and Shield Lob it, if someone else pulls guess what? NOW PROVOKE DOES SOMETHING :O

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If someone else pulls then every mob linked with their target goes straight to them.

The enmity difference between pulling a faraway mob with provoke and lobbing/overpowering/flashing when it is in range and provoking after a dps pulls and lobbing/overpowering/flashing is so negligible as to be laughable, and if I provoke to pull all the linked mobs will run to me, not a dps. And it requires a lot less coordination with dps I may not know or be able to communicate with in a timely manner.

Do I provoke every pull? Of course not, don't be obtuse. But there are situations when it's beneficial. Your counter arguments are misguided to say the least.

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Originally Posted by SummonerSenah

My main is a dps and I kind of dislike when the tanks don't mark, so when I'm on my 23 GLD or 31 WAR I have a macro for marking that I use. I wish more tanks would practice it, though. It's not like it takes that long to do and it helps smooth things out.

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As a tank, you can bind marking targets to an unused hotbar (1, 2, 3, triangle etc etc) and bind those to keys. I use F1 for marking a target as #1, F2 for marking target #2 etc. Can very quickly mark things up mid fight when they're keybound and no need to fiddle around with macros.

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Originally Posted by WhaleBiologist

I pull with provoke because it has a much smaller aggro radius than shield lob. I could alternatively just pull everything at once, those are your options.

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Better do what he says...

He's a whale biologist!

(My life is complete. Thank you.)

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Originally Posted by Ferth

Better do what he says...

He's a whale biologist!

(My life is complete. Thank you.)

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I pull with provoke if I need extra range on pull . Usually when I need to pull boss without moving too far from the barrier like in WP speed runs .