Tank "Guidelines"

[Annah]

First, I know how frustrating (or stressful) it can be to tank a dungeon. My main is a Paladin.

However, I have seen an increasing trend of tanks (last time I seen it this bad was at relaunch) regarding agro and numbering. I don't mean an occasional pull from a DPS...I mean as soon as a DPS or healer does something, the enemy gets pulled.

1. Aggro. Please understand and learn your rotations and your agro management. For me (again Paladin advice) I always start with:

a. Shield Lob
b. Flash (2x)
c. Two combos
d. Flash (1)
e. MP combos

I never get an enemy pulled from me with this. I would recommend something like this or something you are comfortable with but please remember...one flash will not last an entire battle. One provoke is very weak...its not used to just pull him back and then you can continue to another enemy.

My best advice is to tank up with your FC in dungeons until you are comfortable. You may get away without agro(ing) things but by Brayflox you MUST learn this essential tanking skill.

2. Numbering. Maybe it's my OCD or maybe it's something else, but I have to see mobs and them being numbered. As a tank I do it to instruct the DPS to focus on each target at a time. It's also considered respectful so that a blackmage in your party will know which ones to sleep immediately without having to wait to see which enemy's lifebar is dropping. It's also respectful for the healer because if another DPS hammers on another mob the tank isn't tanking then that DPS will probably pull it...creating an additional member for the healer to worry about.

It's also good for other dps so they can just jump right in without having to see which one the tank is tanking.

I will never complain in a group. It's not my style. I would hate it if someone scorns me so I only try to give valuable advice without making the tank feel worthless. Many people in the game are always happy to help.

As a tank don't be afraid to ask questions. Don't act like you are God's gift to the sword or the ax (usually, I find the tanks who put down other DPS or healers in a dungeon are usually very bad themselves but they will try to deflect the blame elsewhere).

I hope this advice helps anyone

[Langureion]

Fyi,
http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...mpendium-2.0.1

[Mazi]

Only advice I have for tanks is STOP PULLING WITH PROVOKE IT DOESN'T DO ANYTHING xP

[OPneedNerfs]

Only advice I have for tanks is STOP PULLING WITH PROVOKE IT DOESN'T DO ANYTHING xP

Pulling is fine if you need the range AND there will be no immediate threat of anyone ripping threat off you.

Using it mid combo for no reason however...

[Ferth]

Only advice I have for tanks is STOP PULLING WITH PROVOKE IT DOESN'T DO ANYTHING xP

It is the longest range ability we have. I pull with it all the time, but then I usually follow it up with a flash or a lob.

[Ronyx]

Only advice I have for tanks is STOP PULLING WITH PROVOKE IT DOESN'T DO ANYTHING xP

Yah the point of pull with provoke is NOT to get hate its to be able to pull the mob DUH, I guess you are not a tank if you dont know that. Shield Lob range is extremly low and there are many situations in which you need a bigger range. So its better to pull with provoke than let a bard or a blm pull.

[Mazi]

Yah the point of pull with provoke is NOT to get hate its to be able to pull the mob DUH, I guess you are not a tank if you dont know that. Shield Lob range is extremly low and there are many situations in which you need a bigger range. So its better to pull with provoke than let a bard or a blm pull.

Pulling with provoke is the same as face pulling, you get 0 aggro from it. Just run up and Shield Lob it, if someone else pulls guess what? NOW PROVOKE DOES SOMETHING :O

[Saccharin]

/factchecking

[indira]

Pulling with provoke is the same as face pulling, you get 0 aggro from it. Just run up and Shield Lob it, if someone else pulls guess what? NOW PROVOKE DOES SOMETHING :O

true story, a waste if you already have hate. provoke is to save people

[Ferth]

Pulling with provoke is the same as face pulling, you get 0 aggro from it. Just run up and Shield Lob it, if someone else pulls guess what? NOW PROVOKE DOES SOMETHING :O

If someone else pulls then every mob linked with their target goes straight to them.

The enmity difference between pulling a faraway mob with provoke and lobbing/overpowering/flashing when it is in range and provoking after a dps pulls and lobbing/overpowering/flashing is so negligible as to be laughable, and if I provoke to pull all the linked mobs will run to me, not a dps. And it requires a lot less coordination with dps I may not know or be able to communicate with in a timely manner.

Do I provoke every pull? Of course not, don't be obtuse. But there are situations when it's beneficial. Your counter arguments are misguided to say the least.