Nerf SMN

Ok, well, theoretically let's say the DPS in the team can apply some kind of pressure on each of their targets - the tank is not going to be able to apply any real pressure, outside of a 10 second stun lock, or a holmgang. Also, their tank periodically rotates through his stuns - keep in mind this is the while the SMN is applying heavy DMG with his own attks and the pet. SCH can just /lol at any damage one person can apply..
Until you've actually played this comp. from the other side, stfu.
We have tried the apply all pressure to all 3 - utility wins out in the end - other compositions only option is to go balls to the wall and try drop them, otherwise their utility trumps you overall.

I really think people should stop complaining about what a SMN can do in battle. They don't need to lose raise in combat since it is a BASE skill they get at a low level.... That would be like saying they also shouldn't have access to physick because they aren't on the SCH side.... Maybe SCH shouldn't have the ability to dot anyone either.... How is THAT fair... OH NO they can HEAL and DPS..... *Sarcasm off**

What it boils down to is that summoners are doing what their class is meant to do, just like any other class does... No need for a nerf.

When I PVP I am doing it so I can go head to head with other classes... I wouldn't want to be beating (or losing to) a class that is nerfed in PVP because it's not really a win at that point.

Lol did you know scholars can use miasma II as well? Also smn only has good burst if they can get 3 dots on you. Just make sure someone is on them making sure they can't stop to cast their dots. Dragoon is goood at that. I hate people who complain about a class and want it nerfed instead of just thinking about how to counter it.

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Originally Posted by Regis

Lol did you know scholars can use miasma II as well? Also smn only has good burst if they can get 3 dots on you. Just make sure someone is on them making sure they can't stop to cast their dots. Dragoon is goood at that. I hate people who complain about a class and want it nerfed instead of just thinking about how to counter it.

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you cant say they dont have any sort of advantage tho i hate people who defend there op class

Lol @ SMN defense. Your class will be nerfed. Carry on doe

Yes please, but it's more than SMN. SCH also needs a nerf. They're for more powerful in PvP than WHM.

Nerf DRG your burst is outrageous

As a SMN, if anyone allows me to get all three dots on them then they deserve to die lol. But if a team knows what they are doing that never happens. Also, raise isn't that effective if you kill a raised person as soon as they come back. I just wish my victory/ battle ratio knew I was supposed to be overpowered. >. <

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Originally Posted by KageSama

Why does a dps class get to have a res? How is that perfectly manageable/balanced?

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They "need" it because it's an Arcanist skill, at lv22. So both SCH and SMN have access to it. If they make it SCH only, then arcanist is not equivalent to conjurer in being able to raise.

Miasma is then instantly reapplied - not to mention that the gcd on cleansing is the same as the gcd on applying, so at best you pace the SMN (and actually lose since they apply 2 debuffs at once here)

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- Scholar's can heal through the disease easily with the 6 lustrates they get at the start of every round (3 + 3 on the new aetherflow recharge)

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And a WHM can ... ?

You can't keep someone up through pressure if they have a spammable instantcast heal debuff on them. Not to mention that it stacks with the Warrior one...

There is nothing difficult about running into close range for a GCD.

Warrior applies it to ONE PERSON at the end of a combo. SMN can apply it to many via Miasma2 or Bane Miasma at the start of a combo. Also if you're saying that everyone must ensure they are within <2s of LOS at all times or else instant-lose due to SMN, well...