Loot lockouts should be based on Job

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Originally Posted by Budi

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I think you missed my point, if you get an item for say drg via need or greed or pass, then you get locked out of drg loot from CT until reset. Simple as that, greed is going to exist anyways and somebody has already posted that simply not passing on something while everybody else does could already bypass the current system (since you have to cast lots to get lockout).

Also, if you have the time to cap myth on literally every job every week I would be extremely surprised. I don't think the people who want to put that much effort into this game should get gated and forced to log off due to having nothing to do either. Just to put this in perspective for you, assuming the new cap is 450 like yoshi mentioned it would be, that would take you 135 WP runs PER WEEK to cap out every job, I don't know a single person in game who plays that much.

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Originally Posted by teoulas

CT is not current tier. Plus I think I'll get bored more easily doing CT 1 time per week than 9 times per week cause if I do 1 time and 1 time coil then there is nothing else to do.

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Correction. It's not YOUR current tier.

Thanks.

Bump for justice :P

No, they shouldn't be based on job. People continue to remain under the false impression that they can't play their other jobs without the locked-out gear, and that's simply bullcrap. Freely available ilvl70 tomestone and crafted gear and relics is enough to challenge pretty much everything in the game. In the amount of time that has passed, players could have potentially gotten several +1 relics and some ilvl90 gear from coil for several jobs. Players should choose between prioritizing their favorite class to max out or making all of them very good. Since you have the option of leveling alts, the most insane hardcore players that absolutely must be the best at everything RIGHT NOW!!1!11! can use that, which is perfectly allowed and OK within the game. For virtually everyone else this is a non-issue.

The only reason anyone is QQing about this is they hate having to make decisions about their character, something that, even in FFXI until the last few years, was both an important part of the game and one few if any complained about.

Loot lockouts exist in all MMOs to pace the clearing of content and obtainment of loot with the developer's ability to create content. As time goes on, this issue will become less and less of a problem as you'll be able to play different raids/dungeons/bosses to gear up different jobs and lockouts will *effectively* be per job.

TL;DR as the game grows this problem will gradually go away.

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Originally Posted by Borfin

You don't see how burnt out you'll get on content if you're able to do it ~9 times per week?

If anything, prior tier content should have job-based loot lockouts (i.e. CT), but not current tier (i.e. BC).

I did ToC in WoW when it was 4 separate loot lockouts... I can still recite Jaraxxus' intro speech from memory and that was years ago.

/shudder

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So that means we shouldn't have the option? O_o?

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Originally Posted by Alhanelem

The only reason anyone is QQing about this is they hate having to make decisions about their character, something that, even in FFXI until the last few years, was both an important part of the game and one few if any complained about.

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Personally, I would have to disagree with you. I do not mind making decisions about my character at all, the problem is that with the current lockout system you really have no incentive to play the content on another job/class once you've completed it for the week. The problem may eventually disappear temporarily, at least until an expansion or lvl cap is released. I just want some incentive to actually -play- another job. Going to coil on my scholar and lotting on black mage gear does not allow me to actually play my black mage for example and unless I find a new static I can't just expect somebody else in the group to heal when I'm a main healer.

TL;DR I want to play the hard endgame content on more than one job per week in order to experience a different form of gameplay without losing the incentive/getting locked out for my entire character.

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Personally, I would have to disagree with you. I do not mind making decisions about my character at all, the problem is that with the current lockout system you really have no incentive to play the content on another job/class...

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well, you just contradicted yourself. Why do you need an incentive to play different jobs. Shouldn't you play different jobs because it's fun? Especially when you're playing with a set group of friends, you don't necessarily have to play the job you want loot for and only that job. Plus, there is more than one content in the game that you can play. Use your different jobs on all of them.

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Going to coil on my scholar and lotting on black mage gear does not allow me to actually play my black mage for example and unless I find a new static

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This is true in every game. That's not a defect of the content, it's a defect of your static group not having the flexibility to let people play different jobs. Personally in the groups i've gone with, I've seen many people switch between a couple jobs on the fly. "You want to play pld? I'll go sch instead"

Like I said in the past, as content in the game expands, this problem will fade away, as different contents will demand different makeups.

Remind me where it hurts the game if I gear all my jobs each patch instead of just 1?

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Originally Posted by Alhanelem

This is true in every game. That's not a defect of the content, it's a defect of your static group not having the flexibility to let people play different jobs.

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In other games you are forced to make alternate characters to experience other forms of gameplay, thereby avoiding ALL lockouts for gear. This game highly boasts the ability to play just 1 character but limits that 1 character with character based lockouts. You also get charged extra money to make additional characters which pushes you even further towards deciding to make a single char for everything.

Edit: As for the incentive, you're right, I do play with my friends for fun and I'll also do the content additional times to help friends but you're missing my point. My friends are not always available and we have a routine already. I would like the ability to say.. join a pug group and still have an incentive to do so. Also, if I do choose to play blm in coil for example then I have to forfeit my experience on scholar which is very different in my opinion. How does increasing the number of players who are participating in content hurt anybody?

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In other games you are forced to make alternate characters to experience other forms of gameplay, thereby avoiding ALL lockouts for gear.

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If you're willing to do a ton of stuff all over again, this is a perk you've earned. It is an option in this game just as it's an option in any other. However, unlike other games, it's not a requirement or a necessity, unless you're a flaming lootw#&$%. You simply do not have to have a pile of ilvl90 gear on the job you want to play in order to be able to play all the content currently in the game. You could, you know, spread your tomestone and coil rewards across more than one job instead of focusing on one, you know. In the time the game has been out, you should have been easily able to aquire gear for more than one job.

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You also get charged extra money to make additional characters which pushes you even further towards deciding to make a single char for everything.

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You are not charged extra money to make additional characters, as long as you subscribe to a longer term. But despite it being a feature of the game, you seem to be complaining about making a single character for everything.

YOU DO NOT NEED ALL ILVL90 GEAR TO PLAY ALL YOUR JOBS IN ALL THE CONTENT. Stop crying that you aren't the OMG THE BEST at every job and just play on them! Freely available, non-locked out philo, relic weapon, and crafted gear is avialable that is perfectly fine for pretty much everything in the game. Play any job, and gear up your favorites first.

As I've mentioned in countless other threads, as more content is added to the game, playing every job will get easier because there will be more sources of gear and individual dungeons having individual lockouts won't block you from upgrading other jobs because there are more dungeons/contents available.