Warrior Full DPS Rotation?

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Originally Posted by mr_wazzabi

So with this in mind, say you use unchained, build 5 stacks of wrath quickly and blow off inner beast, does that mean you can sort of nullify the damage lost from 10s of forced defiance?

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It takes around 20s of global cooldowns to go from 0 to 5 Wrath stacks. However both Vengeance and Berserk add Wrath stacks, meaning that 20s Unchained countdown can be cut short enough to get an Inner Beast off with Unchained Still up.

You can also do this, though it depends on your MTs aggro.
– Keep Defiance on from the start (watch your aggro)
– Work up to 5 Wrath the old fashioned Way
– When the tank has sufficient aggro, blow Unchained
– Berserk + Internal Release + Vengeance
– Get to 5 stacks with 3x Combo
– Inner Beast
– Infuriate
– Inner Beast

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Originally Posted by mr_wazzabi

Are paladins able to crit hits for close to 600 damage? I think not

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750 Spirits Within
700 Halone

30 vit Paladin with STR accessories.

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Originally Posted by Contemporary

750 Spirits Within
700 Halone

30 vit Paladin with STR accessories.

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I crit close to 900 with BB with 30 vit, tank gear and normal relic.

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Originally Posted by mr_wazzabi

Are paladins able to crit hits for close to 600 damage? I think not

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Single shot damage has nothing to do with it, especially since PLD uses a stance that increases damage rate without increasing spikes at all.

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Originally Posted by wlakiz

I crit close to 900 with BB with 30 vit, tank gear and normal relic.

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As Gamemako stated, single large hits mean nothing. You are forgetting Paladin's get 50 additional potency every 2.32 seconds (If using Curtana). That is essentially a free 50 potency per GCD used (It is actually more if you do the math, but for simplicity's sake).

I am not arguing that Paladin is better than Warrior or vice-versa, I am stating that Paladin's damage output is not as bad as most people think.

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Originally Posted by Contemporary

I am not arguing that Paladin is better than Warrior or vice-versa, I am stating that Paladin's damage output is not as bad as most people think.

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I think a lot of people assumed that WAR would be the more damage-focused tank. It doesn't help that WAR does have some advantage in tanking stance (though the tanking DPS relationship is rather complex), and many players just assume this extends into non-tanking situations where it in fact does not.

Go download the DPS meter App then compare a perfect Warrior rotation vs a Paladin simple rotation. Paladin wins. When you look at the damage contribution you will find that around 30% DPS contribution comes from Auto Swings, Sword Oath just makes that part better and flat out beats the warrior without being a try hard I might add..

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Originally Posted by TaneshimaPopura

Go download the DPS meter App then compare a perfect Warrior rotation vs a Paladin simple rotation. Paladin wins. When you look at the damage contribution you will find that around 30% DPS contribution comes from Auto Swings, Sword Oath just makes that part better and flat out beats the warrior without being a try hard I might add..

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Unlikely, unless you parse it against a dummy over the course of 10min but if you look at reality, you never get 100% up time . All curent fights favors warrior style dps and that goes from dungeon bosses to Ifirit, Garuda, titan and all BC turns

Dungeon bosses and Primal yes probably Warriors get more bang for their buck with well timed CDs. But lets not forget the time where Warrior is compelled to do Maim > SE Combo cause Primal just whooshed away. I don't see why on Caduceus you are not on 100% uptime, nor do ADS, Turn 4 you might have minor down time. Only downtime for Twintania is pretty much Snake kite phase if you are doing it.

And it has been confirmed many a times. That Berserk is no where close to Fight or Flight in the DPS department, the warrior has to use Internal Release to overcome the advantage of Fight or Flight. And since you said 10 minutes, Warrior as of current implementation zero out on TP faster than Paladin by a large margin, even more so if you use minimal to no Defiance.

Turn 1, if you're doing burst down strategy like what most fc do these days then warrior is better. For ads, the fight is too short for the pally's sword oath to catch up, also you want the slashing buff if you go the left route. Turn 4, again you want burst DPs to get the mobs down. Turn 5, burst for the conflag.