It's also a straw man argument.Quote:
Originally Posted by Reiterpallasch
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11-12-2013, 12:55 AMTiggy
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11-12-2013, 01:08 AMFraenirVolsungI don't feel like that's a valid point. During 1.0 they were actively developing for and running 1.0 while developing 2.0 on the side, and in my opinion there seemed to be much more communication from the dev team (not just talking about community rep responses). We were getting approximately 2 letters from Yoshi every month, occasional player polls, occasional live letters, roadmaps, and more.Quote:
Originally Posted by Eightbit
With a subscription model game you can't afford to build up hype for release and then just turn the hype machine off once the game has launched. Selling copies of your game is a minute part of that model. In order to keep your game profitable you have to keep players subscribing each month. You have to continually communicate with players to show that issues are being addressed and new content is on the way. -
11-12-2013, 01:24 AMKeith_DragoonWe were promised 1 live letter per month up until next patch. There been brief gaps in communications during development and this is just another one of them.Quote:
Originally Posted by FraenirVolsung
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11-12-2013, 01:42 AMBalbanes
There are devs and then there are Devs.
The guys that usually post our updates (Camate/Gildrein/Bayohne) are not developers. They are part of the community team. They are told what they can/can't post by their bosses. I'm sure they'd like to respond to a lot more stuff if they could.
Usually you find actual Developers posting in places like the Translation/Bugs section, or when Yoshida posts.
Have you guys forgotten what it was like during the first, what, 7+ years of FFXI? No communication with SE, no official forums at all. Our updates came in the form of patch notes. -
11-12-2013, 01:50 AMMageBlack
We have a wonderful gentleman by the name Reinheart who translates the big dev posts from japanese to english. He does it in his free time so that people can get the info a little sooner. You should check him out.
Reinhearts translation thread.
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Originally Posted by Reinheart
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11-12-2013, 02:00 AMMageBlack3 players polls (one was like a two question poll), Maybe once a month for LftP (they have an archive you can go back and view them), in two years we had 7 live letters, Had two roadmaps for the dev of the game so we had an idea of their gameplan.Quote:
Originally Posted by FraenirVolsung
Back then he had a lot to accomplish and he had to have a measure of transparancy to keep us informed, let us know what he was doing. So, when has the hype turned off? We are still getting Live letter and the written ones, we are getting dev posts every week, we are getting new info about upcoming patches, housing, new FATE's, new dungeons, new primals, more story, etc.
Best way to describe the form posters is by way of the spuddies tagline
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11-12-2013, 06:19 AMMelisennaLanguage is only vulgar because you let yourself be offended by it. Ask yourself, why do mere words that aren't used offensively, taken offensively anyways? I suggest watching the Penn and Teller episode on profanity.Quote:
Originally Posted by Eightbit
I myself don't find a single word in the entire world offensive on it's own, and neither should you or anyone else.
It's ok to just say "I don't know what a strawman is", you know.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tiggy
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11-12-2013, 06:25 AMC-croftWhile this is correct, you and I both know, that's not how the world and society works.Quote:
Originally Posted by Melisenna
Much like saying, "have a good day" and "have a good life" should mean the same thing but for varying length of time, but telling someone have a good life is taken negatively. -
11-12-2013, 06:35 AMAleksandrI just want to say I like your signature. Whenever the forums get to serious I am all: Yay that cat is having fun with chicken and grape soda (it would be juice but it is in a beaker so must be a level 10 alchemist recipe hence grape soda). Which is pretty awesome.Quote:
Originally Posted by Keith_Dragoon
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11-12-2013, 06:41 AMJarlax
I am a bit of a forum reader, and find it more entertaining than the paper with my morning coffee. The devs in this game interact more with the community than I have seem many many other mmos do. SO far out of them all SoE is doing a fantastic job with EQ Next and community interaction. Where I actually got a twitter reply for one of my concerns from the lead designer. The reason you don't see a lot of replies with the longer threads are typically two reasons.
1. There was already a thread with that topic that they replied their official answer to. (the most common)
2. Any civilized person is not going to try and have an argument on the internet with a bunch of people who don't agree with you and can be extremely vocal and ridiculously rude.(the reality of it)
I like a lot of their responses that the community does not, it reminds me of the old EQ forums where the dev would pop in on page 100 of a thread and tell everyone LTP your doing it wrong, but I wont tell you how, you have to figure that out.