When someone suggests you use flash more

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Originally Posted by Seriat

As a PLD, trust me .. I know ;p

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This is what I do I just tank poorly when that happens till they get killed gona make youtube clip of it later stage lol.
also most DPS can't follow Signs when it comes to garuda hard mode at some point i think they do that just to piss you off.

Come to my server and i will help you out if you need help getting your weapons.
here is the guide on youtube :P
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sYpVUpS78KI

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Originally Posted by Jediman

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If I get a DPS that wants to pull, I'll let them know if they keep doing they can tank. They usually learn to back off by third mob pack. (if the mage hasn't ragequit by then anyways)

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Originally Posted by Disrupter

Technically, good DPS instinctually know the assist target without marks. Its a thing.

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Marking still better.

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Originally Posted by HiirNoivl

Flash works only if

A) There's not two DoTs on the mobs
B) Regen was put on the tank AFTER the first flash
C) People aren't DPSing the wrong mob.

If any of those are true, No amount of flash will save you.

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oh my oh my oh my, little errors there unless your aggro or aggro spreading really sucks.

first off flash as initial aggro builder is primary skill, my personal guide to any tank average still on build gear: Use Flash as many times as there is mobs before any other GC that is like bread and butter and sure beats dot users and early regen is easy enough if you remember to start RoH combos right after to maintain primary targets dps and spreading roh combo to 1+2 on other and 3 on other to maintain dot aggro, it just holds the aggro...now different story comes when two high dmg dps come and decide have contest between each other by nuking different targets...

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Originally Posted by Seriat

Is that before or after the dps pull three packs of mobs cause he "likes to move fast"? /jk btw

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Your joke about this, but last night i had a monk do this. Also the blm in the group wouldnt target the mob i was targetting. After a few mins of this i decided to let them hold aggro to teach em a lesson lol they told me i was a bad tank and i just responded ok later guys and wuit the group. people are just silly sometimes

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Originally Posted by Disrupter

Technically, good DPS instinctually know the assist target without marks. Its a thing.

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That's the LAST thing I want DPS doing when I tank.

I like to cycle around and make sure I'm using some threat builders here and there. Especially once I have initial threat down. It will use tabbing through the stack for all manner of purposes: enmity, toss out a dot, break a CC to start in on the next mob, whatever... Quite often, just to ensure there is enough enmity on them that when it comes time to switch, the DPS can open big.

Flash and Overpower? Those are just enough to overtake the healer's enmity. Even if I spam them, they're not going to give much more than that, and I'll be losing out on other aspects of my combos.

If you follow me through all that, I have to do even more of it, to keep up with your enmity on the things I'm just light touching. Stay on my mark, and let me do my job of making sure I keep up enough enmity there to be ahead of your DPS. If you stay on the mark, I can keep my enmity above you there, and prep the next set of focus targets at the same time so that when we switch - you don't have to cycle it down one bit.

The only time I expect DPS to be 'all over the place' or following me is when I goof up and fail to mark... then its on me to mark quickly and get things back under control - for which I have the marks all keybound to control - number, right similar to my attacks which are just number or shift-number.

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Originally Posted by HiirNoivl

Flash works only if

A) There's not two DoTs on the mobs
B) Regen was put on the tank AFTER the first flash
C) People aren't DPSing the wrong mob.

If any of those are true, No amount of flash will save you.

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This isn't really just for you, but for context:

The dungeon was Cutter's Cry and I'm on my Scholar (I swapped GCs and needed to clear it to advance rank), and I am letting Selene heal. Selene is the one without the aoe regen, so nope, no regening. What ends up happening is the Paladin tank doesn't use flash when he pulls and just lets things wail on my poor faerie (and then me when I heal her because sustain alone isn't working) and I suggest he uses flash on groups where there are three or more enemies. So, you know. He immediately ragequits.

Cutter's Cry has like a 2 hour queue time because no one runs it ever. I wound up just swapping to my then-level <30 paladin, leveling it, and then tanking it myself because that was faster.

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Originally Posted by Zazakura

oh my oh my oh my, little errors there unless your aggro or aggro spreading really sucks.

first off flash as initial aggro builder is primary skill, my personal guide to any tank average still on build gear: Use Flash as many times as there is mobs before any other GC that is like bread and butter and sure beats dot users and early regen is easy enough if you remember to start RoH combos right after to maintain primary targets dps and spreading roh combo to 1+2 on other and 3 on other to maintain dot aggro, it just holds the aggro...now different story comes when two high dmg dps come and decide have contest between each other by nuking different targets...

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Um.. you agreed with me and still acted like you are better than me... what the heck is wrong with people?

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Originally Posted by Vyserion

This isn't really just for you, but for context:

The dungeon was Cutter's Cry and I'm on my Scholar (I swapped GCs and needed to clear it to advance rank), and I am letting Selene heal. Selene is the one without the aoe regen, so nope, no regening. What ends up happening is the Paladin tank doesn't use flash when he pulls and just lets things wail on my poor faerie (and then me when I heal her because sustain alone isn't working) and I suggest he uses flash on groups where there are three or more enemies. So, you know. He immediately ragequits.

Cutter's Cry has like a 2 hour queue time because no one runs it ever. I wound up just swapping to my then-level <30 paladin, leveling it, and then tanking it myself because that was faster.

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That sucks that you had to deal with that. :( But kudos to you for just tanking it yourself. though.

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Originally Posted by HiirNoivl

A) There's not two DoTs on the mobs
B) Regen was put on the tank AFTER the first flash
C) People aren't DPSing the wrong mob.

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since i have held hate on regen happy relic white mages with a garuda weapon....i find your argument invalid.

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Originally Posted by CyanDvai

A good PLD uses Flash, Halone combo, and tab targets and Marks his mob (and maybe Scorn for fun).

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Not sure why you'd list Scorn as a just "for fun" skill when it's an excellent aggro tool. If you're not using it every time the CD is up you're doing something wrong, especially since it's not on the GCD, same with Spirits unless you have to save it for a fight mechanic (Chimera or ADS).