Consolidated White Mage 4.0 Feedback Thread

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Originally Posted by VanilleFang

I haven't heard anything about them removing Cure III. Why is everyone so sure they have?

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Because it was missing in tooltip screenies.

Personally I think that it's replacing Divine Seal in the Job quest rewards, but we'll soon find out.

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Originally Posted by Cynfael

Because it was missing in tooltip screenies.

Personally I think that it's replacing Divine Seal in the Job quest rewards, but we'll soon find out.

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Ah.

That's what I thought was happening. That it was just replacing DS. I really hope so. =/ It would suck if WHM lost ANOTHER spell.

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Originally Posted by Thunda_Cat_SMASH

That really just depends on what the number is. Assuming that the added dps from either is 300-600 effectively, all the WHM would need to do is be capable of dealing that increased amount on their own. Or more. So a WHM that can deal that much more in comparison to their cohealer would be good. Say, AST with the second highest dps does 2k on average, while a WHM does 3000 on average. That's a 1k added dps bonus over the AST's 600(assumed) average added contribution through cards, and WHM could substitute for an AST when dependable damage dealing is needed rather than an unreliable dps buff that may never appear.

I mean. It's just common sense... that seems to be the niche they're trying to push WHM into, like SAM.

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Then please, do me a favor and calculate with the numbers we know, and then tell me if WHM truely has more than 600 DPS over the other two healers. Because I'm rather sure that would be more than we got. Besides, it would take a LOT of uptime to achieve that, which again would mean low healing requirements, which again would mean faceroll trololo difficulty in raids. It would also make lillies even more redundant than they already are. And that's not something I want to see. Them essentially pushing WHM into a off-heal DPSer niche also runs contra to their recently reinfirmed statement that healers are not supposed to DPS, so... why push a healer into exactly that niche? Sense?

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Originally Posted by VanilleFang

I haven\'t heard anything about them removing Cure III. Why is everyone so sure they have?

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The overcure trait ( for cure III) has been removed and apparently the skill was missing during some of the expos.

And yes, skills and traits that have been removed are still listed on the datamined lists (stoneskin, shroud, divine seal, stone with heavy, etc. are listed as well)

I had a look at some of the datamining posts on Reddit to make sure. It's still there, don't worry.

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Originally Posted by Thunda_Cat_SMASH

That really just depends on what the number is. Assuming that the added dps from either is 300-600 effectively, all the WHM would need to do is be capable of dealing that increased amount on their own. Or more. So a WHM that can deal that much more in comparison to their cohealer would be good. Say, AST with the second highest dps does 2k on average, while a WHM does 3000 on average. That's a 1k added dps bonus over the AST's 600(assumed) average added contribution through cards, and WHM could substitute for an AST when dependable damage dealing is needed rather than an unreliable dps buff that may never appear.

I mean. It's just common sense... that seems to be the niche they're trying to push WHM into, like SAM.

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As it stands now you lose about 2k raid dps just from the opener by not having AoE balance. And that's just one, never mind the multiple you'll probably get throughout a fight. WHM has no chance in making up the difference.

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Originally Posted by Metsonm

I had a look at some of the datamining posts on Reddit to make sure. It's still there, don't worry.

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While I'm not saying they removed Cure III, it being in the datamining doesn't mean we still have it. Everything is still there, removed or not.

Well, I'm not seeing Stoneskin on this list so I'm gong to say I'm pretty confident they have it.

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Originally Posted by Metsonm

Well, I'm not seeing Stoneskin on this list so I'm gong to say I'm pretty confident they have it.

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If you look at the raw ability list it is still there. The same with Scourge, Shrouds of Saints and a lot of other removed skills.

They won't simply remove things like this from the data to avoid a major headache with bugs and errors.

But they're all under the Adventurer class, set to unlock at level 0, so they're easily removed from comparisons.