6.2 Hrothgar Update

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Originally Posted by Denji

They'll probably reveal a mogstation item with a hrothgar in the back unable to wear the hair/hat that comes with it and that's it.

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god but I remember when the errant lord/lady (the girls set has the veiled top hat if the name is wrong).
And they used a hroth in the mens and viera in the womens...PROUDLY SHOWING the new $18 glam wouldnt work for hrothgar and viera. But hrothgar and viera can still enjoy being charged the full price for a set with gear that dont function.
What in the hell is their PROBLEM ffs a set you charge extra moneydollars for should work no matter what. I dont care if a hroth or viera wants an uggo set released in arr if you charge players the same amount of money for extra crap, said crap should be made to fit.

Just checking in to see how many of my fellows have just despondently given up hope for jack OR DIDDLY in 6.2.
I gave up because viera, who existed ingame at the exact same time as hrothgar, have 4x the number of hairstyles and hrothgar still cant even use all our base racial hair.

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Originally Posted by XiRon

Just checking in to see how many of my fellows have just despondently given up hope for jack OR DIDDLY in 6.2.
I gave up because viera, who existed ingame at the exact same time as hrothgar, have 4x the number of hairstyles and hrothgar still cant even use all our base racial hair.

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Given up? No. Accepted Square doesn't care? Pretty much. Plus, as upset as I am about the situation, I'm just resigned to having fun with what I can.

Not that it's a good thing, mind you all: it's still a really sh** situation we're in and knowing a lot of people are complacent and even support this is just as garbage as SE not caring. But you can't be Negative Nancy all the time, I have better crap to deal with.

Viera will always have a higher footing until this is all solved and we're all treated equally. And there's zero indication we ever will, so might as well just accept that. Anyone who tries to deny it because "Viera and Hrothgar are on the same boat" can quite frankly kiss my bottom because a) no they ain't, and b) it really doesn't take a genius to prove that, just a bit of awareness other than just what affects you.

My take? Viera can have fun all they want, and why shouldn't they? They asked for the race, and it is incomplete, so if they get stuff, bravo. To them.
Don't lump Hrothgar with Viera, and make sure to know that if there's any race that's truly in the dump, it's not the one with large ears.
All the other races keep having the fun they already have with what they got, and I just hope it doesn't spread to them. Because as fun as it'd be to show up and say "I bloody told you so, suck it hypocrites", it's just being petty. It's a sign something's reeeeally gone wrong, and what we should be focusing is that the opposite happens. That races get as much attention as all the others in the long run and that customers aren't left with an inferior product in comparison to every other subscription payer.

So... yeah. Have fun, give a thought or two about Hrothgar, and just enjoy your race while it lasts.

Except Hyurs. -w- But Hyurs have 0 personality other than being blander than uncooked Lalafells, so really who cares anyway?

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Originally Posted by XiRon

Just checking in to see how many of my fellows have just despondently given up hope for jack OR DIDDLY in 6.2.
I gave up because viera, who existed ingame at the exact same time as hrothgar, have 4x the number of hairstyles and hrothgar still cant even use all our base racial hair.

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I gave up when they botched their attempt at making up for 3 years of radio silence.

Now the next copium-filled attempt at justifying the devs actions is to wait for 7.0 and female Hrothgar/the graphical update because surely that will change then, right?

I personally don't believe it. Hrothgar players just don't give them enough money for them to care.

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Originally Posted by Kazhar

I gave up when they botched their attempt at making up for 3 years of radio silence.

Now the next copium-filled attempt at justifying the devs actions is to wait for 7.0 and female Hrothgar/the graphical update because surely that will change then, right?

I personally don't believe it. Hrothgar players just don't give them enough money for them to care.

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...is it adding fuel to the fire to remind people that Housing, one singular niche glitch with DRG in TEA and PvP Black Mage had a lot more attention from the devs than a whole race complaining across social media for months? Much less counting the three years where they said jack all?

tbh this is why I said I didn't give up. Because yeah, we won't have anything. They don't deem us to be anything worth their time, and they've shown that. So expecting them to do anything right in the future is like wishing on a shooting star.

But then people can't hide behind white knighting and praise the devs for every single factor. They are choosing to ignore a portion of their playerbase for absolutely no reason other than "oops, we made a race that was a bit harder to deal with :x"
And that won't stop me from calling those people out.

It's irresponsible, no matter how few of us there are. Because we didn't ask for this race, they were the ones who wanted it in. So why punish us to care for stuff they added to the game? Next time there's a dungeon, an ultimate or whatever, why should I feel compelled to enjoy it? So that they ignore it when people have feedback about it? Great attitude from a development team.

I just want to see a post by Yoshida going over all the reasons why the staff can't seem to manage it while 'others' can so easily. Like what is actually holding them back?

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Originally Posted by Raim

I just want to see a post by Yoshida going over all the reasons why the staff can't seem to manage it while 'others' can so easily. Like what is actually holding them back?

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Speculating here, and a lot of people don't like that we do this...
a) Hrothgar require a lot of extra work that non-human characters don't require. Maybe the team needs more time to work on it or just outright has no such experience to pull it off.
b) They operate by rules which "others" do not, such as minimum requirements (need I remind people these got bumped twice, last time was for Endwalker itself? :3), graphical requirements like polygon count (read: why grapes were a meme) or otherwise
c) The way the files are organized and how the models are laid out within said files is absolutely horrid. Which it is, have you seen how character models are organized??
d) Some stuff needed to be repurposed, so they kind of McGyvered their way through the making of these races and now if they pull one string, something breaks elsewhere. Example: why the Kimahri face had its head shrunk and is missing some polygons.
e) We know that some dev team members got shafted over to other departments after HSW was successful. Meaning they don't have people on board for much anymore. Also, FF16 is being made.
f) Sheer disinterest.

Keep in mind only some of these are actually valid responses, and even those that are valid are only valid from a certain, very lenient point of view. Because disinterest is just "the worst case possible, motivated by money". But stuff like model organization and Hrothgars requiring know-how that they don't have are only viable if you think the dev team that gave us complex models and is animating Miqo'tes in every cutscene now is utterly braindead.

If an amateur can do it, why can't they who made the damned race? Said amateur is a pre-bachelor 3D modeller with zero affiliations to the studio. This is Square Enix we're talking about, and the engine is the same they used for FF15. Google "Noctis Hair strands" for more, or just... google "DirectX12 Witch Chapter 0". Sure, they're AAA quality... but that's the point: it doesn't discredit the fact that this is made by Square Enix, and thus are 100% capable of dealing with low-poly lion faces in comparison.

As for limitations... do away with them. Because we're no longer living under the PS3 era, and minimum requirements are the least of your concerns when it comes to a few extra polygons. Player experience should come first, not how nice the pier at Thavnair looks.

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Originally Posted by XiRon

Just checking in to see how many of my fellows have just despondently given up hope for jack OR DIDDLY in 6.2.

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I have no expectations for anything Hrothgar until 7.0
So for now Im just enjoying what I can on my ALT. But, Im open to being surprised to see/get anything before 7.0

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Originally Posted by Midareyukki

...is it adding fuel to the fire to remind people that Housing, one singular niche glitch with DRG in TEA and PvP Black Mage had a lot more attention from the devs than a whole race complaining across social media for months? Much less counting the three years where they said jack all?

tbh this is why I said I didn't give up. Because yeah, we won't have anything. They don't deem us to be anything worth their time, and they've shown that. So expecting them to do anything right in the future is like wishing on a shooting star.

But then people can't hide behind white knighting and praise the devs for every single factor. They are choosing to ignore a portion of their playerbase for absolutely no reason other than "oops, we made a race that was a bit harder to deal with :x"
And that won't stop me from calling those people out.

It's irresponsible, no matter how few of us there are. Because we didn't ask for this race, they were the ones who wanted it in. So why punish us to care for stuff they added to the game? Next time there's a dungeon, an ultimate or whatever, why should I feel compelled to enjoy it? So that they ignore it when people have feedback about it? Great attitude from a development team.

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More fuel for the fire: When Alphinauds HW attire dropped on the shop, it cut off aura and miqote tails. They complained. Very loudly. And the same day it dropped it was hotfixed to allow their tails again (idk about hrothgar tails bc no hroth bought it anyway bc it comes with a hairstyle you cant use, because of course).
Meanwhile the entire community mocked the "ears are hiding in hair" comment, told Yoshi via youtube vids or comments on twitter that that sucks a fat load of eggs, and...yknow I checked every subpatch in 6.1, every hotfix, and not once did they give us ears on our new styles. Even Snows. Which not only costs money, but very clearly shows Miqote and Viera boys NOT getting ears lobbed off on the online purchase page.

So yeah. Anyone thinking we're getting anything in 6.2 when they cant even fix hair that costs extra money to own is more delusional than anyone in the looney bin who believes they're an eggplant.

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Originally Posted by XiRon

Alphinaud's attire talk

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The criticism that I've seen regarding this is that there aren't enough Hrothgar players for it to be a high enough priority, which doesn't even hold up well because there are more Hroth players than fem Elezen and fem Roe (I can't remember which thread, but the percentages of each race/gender played were posted). Also, there would be more Hroth players if they just fixed them already.

Like, how does a multimillion dollar company do something so egregious to thousands of their subscribers for their biggest cash cow, then still have supporters make excuses for their bad quality control and blatant favoritism? Sorry, but there is no excuse for how Hrothgar have been treated.

Okay, mini rant over.