PSA - Cleric Stance and vote kicking

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Originally Posted by Faliandra

Again this?

I outdps dps classes every day on my healers. You can do LOTS AND LOOOOTS of dps on big pulls. Do me one favor:

If you have NO IDEA what you are talking about, then...just DONT.

Thanks.

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From my experience if I'm outdamaging a dps. It's mainly due to me being way better geared. Or maybe it just varies by class. Considering you are a white mage and apparently your aoe can do a lot of burst could play a role in that as well. So I do know what i'm talking about actually lo

Edit: Then again maybe not, I haven't played WHM since..before heavensward..

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Originally Posted by ValarianHeartbreaker

Healing might be your MAIN role, but it's not your ONLY role.

Just like bards and mechs, summoners and ninjas with their goad, your main function might be to keep everyone alive, but you can do other stuff to help your group.

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This won't be the case anymore on DPS either, too. Bard songs seem to be single target now (unsure, someone else confirm? <_< I should harass my Discord for that source) and casters can transfer their MP to someone else. Goad is cross class now as well. Seems like SE is spreading utilities to other classes to allow for more flexibility.

That being said, SE removed a learning curve for healers and the DPSing mentality: cleric stance is a buff not unlike raging strikes, blood for blood or internal release. There's no reason you can't throw out offensive spells even without cleric stance once 4.0 hits.

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Originally Posted by JunseiKei

This won't be the case anymore on DPS either, too. Bard songs seem to be single target now (unsure, someone else confirm? <_< I should harass my Discord for that source) and casters can transfer their MP to someone else. Goad is cross class now as well. Seems like SE is spreading utilities to other classes to allow for more flexibility.

That being said, SE removed a learning curve for healers and the DPSing mentality: leric stance is a buff not unlike raging strikes, blood for blood or internal release. There's no reason you can't throw out offensive spells even without cleric stance once 4.0 hits.

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I know things will change in a couple of weeks, my comment was referring to the current state of the game :)

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Originally Posted by Seoulstar

From my experience if I'm outdamaging a dps. It's mainly due to me being way better geared. Or maybe it just varies by class. Considering you are a white mage and apparently your aoe can do a lot of burst could play a role in that as well. So I do know what i'm talking about actually lol

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AST is on the lower side, but still has Gravity. It will still have a big impact if you do it properly.
I hardly ever play AST in roulettes, only in savage/ex. IMO they dont shine in roulettes but I managed to dish out a significant amount of dps regardless.
And I'm sure theres room for improvement there, too...pretty sure i didnt squeeze out every possible amount of dps there.
Also gear isnt *that* much of a factor as rotation is. And really,its not like the majority of people you encounter in expert have really low gear.
So...no,I dont think you are aware of whats possible.

And yes, indeed WHM and SCH have more DPS potential, but that doesnt mean an AST cant do enough to have a significant impact on runs!
(if your dps members suck...Id just buff myself with an enhanced balance and gravity the living hell out of packs... lol :D)

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Originally Posted by Thunda_Cat_SMASH

Factually incorrect. Dps have no responsibility in this game because healers are so happy to carry them. If what you're saying was true, people would actually be pushing for the dps to be better instead of demanding healers carry them. Trying to say otherwise stinks of hypocrisy.

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What?

Someone mentioned it earlier in the thread - both DPS and tanks (assuming that they are players who aren't half-assing content), are always doing something. If a healer is JUST healing, I can guaran-frickin'-tee they are going to have down time unless they are overhealing like it is going out of style.

Moreover, as I previously mentioned, it isn't about carrying anyone. Adding more DPS to a given run (dungeon, primal, raid, etc) doesn't take ANYTHING away from the run assuming that the healer is doing their primary job of keeping everyone alive.

To reiterate, there IS NO CAP ON DAMAGE.

If I were to take your statement and put it in the context of savage-tier raiding, it just becomes absurd. DPS have to work just as hard as everyone else when it comes to raiding (lest they get dropped like a hot rock), and if the healer is able to provide some damage to ensure things go more smoothly, that isn't a carry.

None of this is difficult to grasp. I think the majority of players just want people to TRY. This applies to everyone, not just healers.

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Originally Posted by Faliandra

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Well, I need to get back to some guides..I am lacking in areas where I thought I knew. My apologies for the other comment. I will admit I was wrong~

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Originally Posted by ValarianHeartbreaker

I know things will change in a couple of weeks, my comment was referring to the current state of the game :)

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Oh, I know. :) Pointing out to others that the mentality of other players, like DPS, not giving other buffs is another elephant in the room that people tend to not talking about. Ninjas giving goad is pretty rare. I cut the slack for bards and removing pacification- usually berserk gets pushed off a warrior's status and you don't see it until they are pacified already (or someone actually macro'd it). Or you have a trigger set on a third party program to tell you berserk was used.

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Originally Posted by Faliandra

Again this?

I outdps dps classes every day on my healers. You can do LOTS AND LOOOOTS of dps on big pulls. Do me one favor:

If you have NO IDEA what you are talking about, then...just DONT.

Thanks.



edit: im sorry if im coming off as agressive,but honestly...this is so annoying.

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As SCH i can relate to this, there isn't a day where I don't outdps a party doing dungeons. Eos' regen is strong enough to let me dps as much as I want the whole dungeon, I just drop cleric for an Adlo before each pull.

Healers do damage, a lot, there is no excuse to don't do it.

If i play tank or DPS I don't get to stand there doing absolutely nothing or run around in a circle not using actions for a few global cooldowns doing nothing assuming the OTHER DPS or tank will kill the mob for me, if I did this people would be upset and rightly so it's rude and inconsiderate to do so, So why would it not be the same for the healer If DPS and Tanks are expected to give 100% and never not be doing actions why would a healer get to just sit there and watch people?

If you are standing there WAITING to use your healing actions you are WASTING time for everyone involved.

I think the general thing to take away here is that: Not everyone plays the game the same way. Some people are comfortable dpsing and some arent. While, yes, which the new changes it makes it easier to dps as a healer, it might not be for everyone. So really, just be kind and understanding to people. If youre a dps and see a healer is questioning if they should dps or not, help out a bit by avoiding aoes, using the new ability that removes statuses from party members. Acting salty and bashing anyone who doesnt play like you is going to get us nowhere.