CNJ = WHM and THM = BLM

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Originally Posted by Coglin

So?

Look at its japanese name.

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Illusionist?. . . I still don't see how Illusionist/Elementalist = WHM when Miracle Worker = BLM. . .

Mmmmm

Am I the only one that thinks that they are making up a frankenstein of a game?
Seems that their desire or need to keep some elements from the game is making it worse than better.

All this cnj with al the nukes will be the whm makes no sense at all

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Originally Posted by Darkhaund

Mmmmm

Am I the only one that thinks that they are making up a frankenstein of a game?
Seems that their desire or need to keep some elements from the game is making it worse than better.

All this cnj with al the nukes will be the whm makes no sense at all

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IDK, you still need a part of THM to become a WHM anyway. . .

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Originally Posted by Bowen

Illusionist?. . . I still don't see how Illusionist/Elementalist = WHM when Miracle Worker = BLM. . .

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Basically every single one of THM's spells aside from dia and banish scream Black Mage. Whatever history the word thaumaturgy has is not relevant considering it has not been relevant until now either.

In fact, this game would be much better off if the elemental nukes were removed completely or combined together. The game needs focused actions that have always a use, preferably multidimensional at that. The franchise traditions are crippling it's evolution into something much better. CNJ can have elemental nukes that have nothing to do with Black Magic of past FF's and XIV's BLM does not 'need' elemental nukes either.

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Originally Posted by Bowen

Illusionist?. . . I still don't see how Illusionist/Elementalist = WHM when Miracle Worker = BLM. . .

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LMAO thats not even close, where did you come up with that ?

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Originally Posted by Wynn

I'm not sure how to react to this. I would say nukes are a fundamental aspect of CNJ and are NOT a fundamental aspect of THM. So is he saying THM will not get the nukes? Will BLM be reduced to a debuff class and elemental nukes will just go unused since melee will be screaming "Stop casting Fire II and HEAL!!!1!!"?

Please tell me I misunderstand the implications of this.

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Twelve forbid jobs taking abilities from more than just their own branching class. I haven't specifically seen a post saying that jobs are limited to their own branching class, just that they get less diverse options (unless I somehow missed out on that very important point). So the elemental skills may be available for Black Mages to take from the Conjurer branch.

your THM need fire,water etc from CNJ and when turn up to BLM you will get Fira,blizzara etc and -ga spells.. I think it will be like that...then I hope Fire II will different from Fira...Im just speculating

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Originally Posted by Coglin

LMAO thats not even close, where did you come up with that ?

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Multiple websites, translators, Japanese -> English dictionaries, the Japanese teacher at my school.
Trust me when it comes to lore (Especially in FF) I make sure to do my research. I love lore and myths. :)

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Originally Posted by Betelgeuzah

Basically every single one of THM's spells aside from dia and banish scream Black Mage. Whatever history the word thaumaturgy has is not relevant considering it has not been relevant until now either.

In fact, this game would be much better off if the elemental nukes were removed completely or combined together. The game needs focused actions that have always a use, preferably multidimensional at that. The franchise traditions are crippling it's evolution into something much better. CNJ can have elemental nukes that have nothing to do with Black Magic of past FF's and XIV's BLM does not 'need' elemental nukes either.

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Would you care to list the spells that resemble BLM to me?
I'm pretty sure someone made a list of all the CNJ and THM spells a while back. What was it. . . Klive? Something like that. . . Or maybe I don't remember at all. xD

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Originally Posted by Bowen

Multiple websites, translators, Japanese -> English dictionaries, the Japanese teacher at my school.
Trust me when it comes to lore (Especially in FF) I make sure to do my research. I love lore and myths. :)

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You making up words?

呪術士 is a far through from illusionist