VIERA AND HROTHGAR COMPLAINT MEGATHREAD

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Originally Posted by Roda

God I can't get over how good those hats look tho.
Seriously impressed with the astro hat, and hope that SE can let the ears show like that instead of amputating them like they do for miqo'te :(

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SE: "It's impossible! Ears make everything very complicated! It's not possible! Please understand! *baby crying noises*"

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SE: "DO NOT USE MODS! IT IS NOT ALLOWED BY US! I WILL BAN YOU ALL!"

I saw what amazing job modders already did for viera and hrothgar hats and it really makes me mad that SE is "unable" to do that for us. That's just sad and frustrating.

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Originally Posted by Kling-Klang

I saw what amazing job modders already did for viera and hrothgar hats and it really makes me mad that SE is "unable" to do that for us. That's just sad and frustrating.

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It is but..., let's not give up! :3

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Originally Posted by Kling-Klang

I saw what amazing job modders already did for viera and hrothgar hats and it really makes me mad that SE is "unable" to do that for us. That's just sad and frustrating.

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what pisses me off is that besides not doing a good job, they don't buy from people who would certainly love to have their name on a big job, and they forbid us to use mods.

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Originally Posted by Adamantini

and they forbid us to use mods.

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There's the kicker. You can't use mods cause they are against TOS. But some mods are improving the game, from mods that let you see specific debuff timers to changing some AOEs colours for the people who are colourblind to be able to pay. Other mods are visual enhancements like the colour saturation and lighting adjustments to make some scenes more excellent or chat bubbles. Others, as pointed out, give Viera and Hrothgar hairstyles and hats.
They recognised that some mods are good, but they chose to ban someone while at the same time saying they are gonna add the mod that got the person banned, they could either purchase the mods and add them in (with some refinement), or making it themselves. And leave the bans for those who bot, gill sellers or those ones who are actively messing with other peoples game.

Yeah, but 5 dollars for the tea emote and most profitable game in S-E.
Remember when we had a whole quest for the /spectacle emote back in HW? The last emote we had in an event was the egg eating one, for which we already have 3 or 4 versions. But the game quality is not going down.
Impossible to manage things for such a niche unit in the company and the Viera and Hrothgar issues have been handled with the utmost seriousness and professionalism.

Remember the main thing about mods, they're all client side. Unless you're outright admitting you use them in open chat or stream yourself using them, you won't get into trouble, because they have no way of telling you're using graphics mods.

Might be old news but apparently Lyse‘s hairstyle will be wearable by fem Viera day 1. Seems like it‘s going in a good direction at least hairstyle wise. Lets hope they fix the ear situation for Hrothgar asap.
https://ffxivcollect.com/hairstyles/435

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Originally Posted by Fukuro

Might be old news but apparently Lyse‘s hairstyle will be wearable by fem Viera day 1. Seems like it‘s going in a good direction at least hairstyle wise. Lets hope they fix the ear situation for Hrothgar asap.
https://ffxivcollect.com/hairstyles/435

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ten bucks says they just port the lyse hairstyle to one specific hrothgar face with no ears and act as if they are doing us a huge favour.

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Originally Posted by Denji

ten bucks says they just port the lyse hairstyle to one specific hrothgar face with no ears and act as if they are doing us a huge favour.

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Oh you know they're gonna gender lock it.

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Originally Posted by Roda

Oh you know they're gonna gender lock it.

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Looking at the recent hair we got I am fairly certain they would make an exception for Hrothgar just to torture us.

I still hope they adjust for example Thancred hair, too. Has anybody hope?

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Originally Posted by Roda

Oh you know they're gonna gender lock it.

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it is genderlocked but at least this means in the off chance males get a new glam set + hairstyle male viera will be able to use it too

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Originally Posted by grinkdaboy

it is genderlocked but at least this means in the off chance males get a new glam set + hairstyle male viera will be able to use it too

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If they are going to gender lock it, they have to add something for the male characters. My bet is still on Hiens hairstyle for males.

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Originally Posted by Pip_Chick

If they are going to gender lock it, they have to add something for the male characters. My bet is still on Hiens hairstyle for males.

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Hien's glamour set already exists and they don't sell NPC hair by itself. imo the more likely male exclusive set would be Graha's new outfit + hair

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Originally Posted by Heavenchild

I still hope they adjust for example Thancred hair, too. Has anybody hope?

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Personally, I think its more a question of when. If we get another hair update with 6.2 we can see if the file pattern continues and make style guesstimations from there.

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Originally Posted by Rokke

Hien's glamour set already exists and they don't sell NPC hair by itself. imo the more likely male exclusive set would be Graha's new outfit + hair

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I like Graha but please no :( Would be half as bad if there will be older hairstyles coming along for Viera and Hrothgar tho!

I'm ok with my Hrothgar not having a hat, although a red & white striped top hat might be interesting..

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Originally Posted by Fukuro

I like Graha but please no :( Would be half as bad if there will be older hairstyles coming along for Viera and Hrothgar tho!

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I feel like he and Emet (maaaaybe Gaius?) are the only prominent male characters with unique hair and cash shop worthy outfits, and of those three he's the safest bet by a mile ^^;

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Originally Posted by Rokke

I feel like he and Emet (maaaaybe Gaius?) are the only prominent male characters with unique hair and cash shop worthy outfits, and of those three he's the safest bet by a mile ^^;

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Gauis hair would actually look pretty great for male characters.

While we're on a topic of hair again, I just want my "Styled For Hire" to work, SE, please.

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Originally Posted by Hatfright

While we're on a topic of hair again, I just want my "Styled For Hire" to work, SE, please.

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I suspect that is coming at some point as are most styles for Viera at least.

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Originally Posted by LaylaTsarra

I suspect that is coming at some point as are most styles for Viera at least.

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What's it like, having a modicum of hope?
Mine was crushed ages ago.

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Originally Posted by SturmChurro

Gauis hair would actually look pretty great for male characters.

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https://c.tenor.com/XeNUdNvd9I0AAAAM/gimme-colbert.gif

SE adding Gaius' hair to vieras, it will be like:

https://media.discordapp.net/attachm...309&height=475

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Originally Posted by Adamantini

SE adding Gaius' hair to vieras, it will be like:

https://media.discordapp.net/attachm...309&height=475

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absolute perfection. They do have foreheads that can be used as airplane landings :'D

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Originally Posted by Adamantini

SE adding Gaius' hair to vieras, it will be like:

https://media.discordapp.net/attachm...309&height=475

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Not wrong.

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Originally Posted by Adamantini

SE adding Gaius' hair to vieras, it will be like:

https://media.discordapp.net/attachm...309&height=475

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why did you feel the need to do that.

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Originally Posted by Denji

why did you feel the need to do that.

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I did to leave a message:

"SE doesn't know how to model characters anymore"

I fantasia'd to Miqote a week or two ago and I already miss being Viera a lot. I logged in into my Viera alt because of this and ended up getting pissed enough to create a forum account. The hat situation is so infuriatingly lazy, because I'm convinced that the reason Viera can't wear hats is because they couldn't be bothered to make the "hat compatible" versions of their hairs like other races have. Why else would random players be able to fix the issue via mods(which for me is far from enough, because if others can't see what's the point?) and crap like this would be available for use anyway?

https://i.imgur.com/2ktG7hM.png

It looks terrible and silly, like many other hats would, but the player should be allowed to choose if they want to wear it or not, and clipping should NOT be used as an excuse anymore, both for Viera and Hrothgar.

I have always wondered, with the release of endwalker, why did the development team intentionally omit ALL male viera haircuts from being accessible to female vieras (and vice versa). I would have credited them with being immensely clever had they given viera fans both male bunnies and female vieras "viera unique" hairstyles all in one go. However they didnt do that and I am left as perplexed as before at their faint-hearted implementation of this race.

I would like every obtainable haircut available to female Vieras.
Wind Caller
Early to Rise
Saintly Style
Modern Legend
Samsonian Locks
Form and Function
Gyr Abanian Plait
Sharlayan Studies
Scion special Issue
Scion special Issue III
Master and Commander
Styled for Hire
Fashionably Feathered
Lexen Tails
Great Lengths
Curls
Adventure
Eternal Bonding

In addition to all the Male Viera haircuts. And I would also like alot of the default styles the other races from the begining.

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Originally Posted by Adamantini

I did to leave a message:

"SE doesn't know how to model characters anymore"

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Of course! The ones who know how to model anything were put on other projects. What we have now are people who watched Blender Guru like twice and are in charge of making stuff.

That image really befits Square's process after the Hrothgar hairstyles by the way. Except, you know, with more ears.

I'd be careful with diminishing the work and skill of the people in the art team. That's like shouting at the guy who mixes the pizza dough for your pizza order being messed up. I don't want to defend sloppy work, but considering what else the art team can come up with, this smells a lot like horrible priorities given by the higher-ups. You only have so much time and effort to work with and if your boss' boss says you should spend this on parasol poses or new housing furniture, it doesn't matter how well you are able to model a character nor how much you would rather spend your time with this instead of the next potted plant. The priorities, the designs, what time is allowed to be invested in what.. this is nothing that an artist in a studio has any influence in. They can make suggestions and give feedback to their lead artist, the lead artist can forward those suggestions and maybe structure them/filter them and give an estimate on how much time it would take. But it is not up to any of them if a thing gets made. Same goes for community managers, programmers etc. btw. They are not the ones making decisions about stuff and just saying they all collectively are bad in their area of expertise is unfair and will not tackle the actual issue.

I am quite certain that this is a problem of giving these kinds of main characters a very low priority because they don't view it as "main character thing" but as "neat little side project". If they would redirect resources to this topic, I daresay we would get amazing well-thought results, especially if they analyze all the feedback given in this forum, on twitter etc. (There have been plenty of constructive suggestions, even concept art.) So please don't waste your time and energy shifting the blame on people who are not responsible for it.

I'm only temporarily a hour, but I always play as a male Viera. I honestly think ALL HATS that have been added since the release of Viera and hrothgar SHOULD have been made accessible for them. Makes no damn sense that they haven't.

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Originally Posted by SasakiItou-Malboro

I'm only temporarily a hour, but I always play as a male Viera. I honestly think ALL HATS that have been added since the release of Viera and hrothgar SHOULD have been made accessible for them. Makes no damn sense that they haven't.

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Hyur* stupid autocorrect

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Originally Posted by SasakiItou-Malboro

I'm only temporarily a hour, but I always play as a male Viera. I honestly think ALL HATS that have been added since the release of Viera and hrothgar SHOULD have been made accessible for them. Makes no damn sense that they haven't.

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This. Please if you can and want, I'm trying to get as many people together as possible to add a protest in their signatures about the hats. So we don't need to open multiple threads about it, it will be a silent protest in every post we make.
If you don't want to create something from scratch, you can copy my signature.

I was gonna fantasia back to viera and then I remembered we are getting new gear soon where the hats wont work on her anyway....and I really want that hat. Sadge. Ive seen how the Lyse hair looks on viera and it is gorgeous so it is tempting but....no hats...

Why is it SE that the Archfiend head armor you get from PvP that is an "exclusive reward" for the new seasonal content doesn't show up on Viera, although it does on Hrothgar, and the Ktiseos dungeon version of almost the exact same helmet that is not a "special seasonal reward" does show up on Viera?! What is y'all's problem?!

https://i.imgur.com/0JX1E5S.jpeg
https://i.imgur.com/XiTjX6v.jpeg
https://i.imgur.com/ieWJ1ZZ.jpeg

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Originally Posted by MRBJ1978

Why is it SE that the Archfiend head armor you get from PvP that is an "exclusive reward" for the new seasonal content doesn't show up on Viera, although it does on Hrothgar, and the Ktiseos dungeon version of almost the exact same helmet that is not a "special seasonal reward" does show up on Viera?! What is y'all's problem?!

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Don't talk about them like that! They are doing their best! Be patient, it's such a hard job. Not that I haven't already posted here, a photo I found on twitter of a person who made this helmet work in vieras. Far from it, it's all a lie :rolleyes:

Just fantasia problem solved /s

nah, I will continue here screaming to SE.