What Zero Could've Been

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Originally Posted by Tsumdere

I spend a lot less time on the forums because of the blatant misogyny that keeps getting thrown around constantly

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Tsumdere, I know this may not be mentioned in whatever dictionary you may be relying on for the definition of "blatant," but something isn't blatant if other people can make a credible case that it isn't there (much less if you're the only one who sees it.)

Perhaps you should use a different word, like "inherent," "tacit," "implicit," or the now-trendy "dog whistle," the latter of which may be roughly defined as "they didn't say it or imply it, but I know that's what they meant."

To be fair to aveyond, his takes about attractiveness are also applied to male characters.
So it's less about misogyny and more about him wanting hot characters in general.

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Originally Posted by Kazhar

To be fair to aveyond, his takes about attractiveness are also applied to male characters.
So it's less about misogyny and more about him wanting hot characters in general.

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Indeed. I don't buy video games or watch stuff that has characters that don't look appealing, and with character customization options so limited in this game the least they could do is spend some time making our party members look decent, while accounting for a variety of tastes. The women of FFXIV's main cast don't do this, and neither do the men.

Usually anyone can find at least one character that they're drawn to when it comes to narrative-heavy media like FFXIV is, but unless you like scholars with short white hair or whatever G'raha Tia is supposed to be it seems like I'm out of luck. Bar the exit of Y'shtola from the party and her replacement being the sort of heroine I've described in the past, I don't see how Zero or god forbid Krile will bring anything of substance to the table besides magic gizmos to instafix our problems.

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Originally Posted by Darthgummibear

Yes, everyone who isn't a fan of how those characters are handled is a mysognist. Such a stunning and brave stance.

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Its also apparently Stunning and Brave to call people Fora Knights and to come at them for liking Venat.
So...idk. The politics on these forums are weird lol

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Originally Posted by aveyond-dreams

I don't buy video games or watch stuff that has characters that don't look appealing, and with character customization options so limited in this game.

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Well...you...kinda already did....and you've been playing this game for How Many Years now?...
So this is very m00t

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Originally Posted by aveyond-dreams

Indeed. I don't buy video games or watch stuff that has characters that don't look appealing, and with character customization options so limited in this game the least they could do is spend some time making our party members look decent, while accounting for a variety of tastes. The women of FFXIV's main cast don't do this, and neither do the men.

Usually anyone can find at least one character that they're drawn to when it comes to narrative-heavy media like FFXIV is, but unless you like scholars with short white hair or whatever G'raha Tia is supposed to be it seems like I'm out of luck. Bar the exit of Y'shtola from the party and her replacement being the sort of heroine I've described in the past, I don't see how Zero or god forbid Krile will bring anything of substance to the table besides magic gizmos to instafix our problems.

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Your take is entirely subjective for everyone so the conversation about it is completely a moot point.

You have such weird views on women, man.

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Originally Posted by aveyond-dreams

I ... the least they [CBU3] could do is spend some time making our party members look decent, while accounting for a variety of tastes.

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I guess you haven't heard, but there's no accounting for taste. It's innumerable.

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Originally Posted by Padudu

You have such weird views on women, man.

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Do they? When it comes to a norm for female attractiveness, looked at historically, there isn't much of one.
Generally, it seems to come down to either "look like you're rich," "look built to bear children," or a combination thereof.
And that covers a lot of ground, from beyond Rubenesque to the flappers of the 1920's.*

*Thoroughly Modern Millie contains an amusing bit where Julie Andrew's character Millie is jealous of Mary Tylor Moore's character Dorothy because Dorothy's "beads" -- a long necklace -- "hang straight" on Dorothy's more modest chest.

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Originally Posted by Silverbane

I guess you haven't heard, but there's no accounting for taste. It's innumerable.

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I think there are some pretty common ones like girls with long hair that go through dramatic, compelling emotional journeys/love stories along with sterner guys that carry heavy unseen burdens with facial hair and strong physiques that they could start with.

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Originally Posted by aveyond-dreams

I think there are some pretty common ones like girls with long hair that go through dramatic, compelling emotional journeys/love stories along with sterner guys that carry heavy unseen burdens with facial hair and strong physiques that they could start with.

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Why do the men get the excuse of having unseen burdens lol. Why must the women have emotional journeys or love stories.

These just seem like very arbitrary requirements....

The world would be a much better place if people were still able to actively identify what actual misogyny and incel/dudebro culture looks like. But it's far too late to save this world, I'd say it went to the dogs nearly fifty years hence but that'd be too big an insult to canis lupus. I'm not a MONSTER.

If misogyny was as everpresent as some seem to see it in every shadowed corner of the globe, then women would have a lot more power and there'd be a hells of a lot less notable men. Decent people fight bigotry, and the effects of such would be clear. The absence of such is tantamount to proof of the contrary viewpoint. It's simple logic, really.