Alliance Raids and players not waiting for Cutscene Watchers

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Originally Posted by Saraide

Clearly you are making up that problem because you are perfectly capable of just taking aggro back.

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They're also perfectly capable of not running ahead when I, the tank, will already be doing that anyway unless the healer wants me to go slower. They can also be given a firm reminder of how much more replaceable they are as dps compared to the tank if they want to make this a problem.

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Originally Posted by YukikoKurosawa

They're also perfectly capable of not running ahead when I, the tank, will already be doing that anyway unless the healer wants me to go slower. They can also be given a firm reminder of how much more replaceable they are as dps compared to the tank if they want to make this a problem.

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And if the healer is somehow unable to keep up with a minimum 2 packs per pull, then that demonstrates that they are not utilizing their kit properly and I would rather not carry them past level 50 content nor whoever else decides to enable them. At no point do I have to tolerate a group who is underperforming compared to the trust npcs we have available to us now.

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Originally Posted by YukikoKurosawa

They're also perfectly capable of not running ahead when I, the tank, will already be doing that anyway unless the healer wants me to go slower. They can also be given a firm reminder of how much more replaceable they are as dps compared to the tank if they want to make this a problem.

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Someone thinks they're special.

Reality check: just because you're the tank you're not automatically the ruler of the party.

For cutscenes: who wants to wait will wait and who doesn't won't. Either is a way to play the game and there is no wrong. If SE wants to enforce the rule of waiting mobs wouldn't be attackable until cutscenes are over. Instead SE implemented the port-in-option so ppl that watch the cutscene won't miss out on the fight. Dunno if ppl forgot that it wasn't always possible to enter a fight that already started. SE already implemented a solution for that problem.

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Originally Posted by YukikoKurosawa

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I see I have touched upon quite the nerve.

What's hilarious here is the absolute comical notion that pulling ahead of a tank could ever remotely correlate to psychopathy . Good lord. Talk about being melodramatic. Your being portrayed as the "bad guy" because only your behavior directly leads to a wipe. A DPS pulling ahead may be annoying to some, however it won't inherently cause any issues providing you know how to tank past level 50. Deliberately turning off Tank Stance, refusing to AoE or whatever other method devised in an effort to kill another player, can. Therefore, who's actually griefing here? You can dress it down in whatever manner you fancy, it doesn't change the end result: You intentionally tried—possibly succeeded—in killing another player for no other reason than your bruised ego. If you're going to go down this route at least acknowledge you're being toxic yourself instead of trying to take some moral high ground. I can appreciate it being annoyed but even by your own logic you're stooping down to the same level you described as "demented" and "anti-social"

As a tank main myself, I couldn't care less if someone pulls ahead of me. It literally changes nothing I do but may benefit them to either keep their abilities rolling, set up stronger hitting skills like the aforementioned Nastrond or condense the mobs so that my AoE will more easily pick them up. If they throw up Arm's Length, then they've actually made my job even easier by using a "cooldown". Ultimately, aggro generation is utterly braindead. Press your AoE buttons once each and every mob is instantly yours no matter what the DPS or healer do.

I should also note I never once mentioned pulling during a cutscene despite your little rant here. I specifically highlighted your mention of letting DPS or Healers die in a dungeon setting. So...

You accuse myself and others of not GAF yet that equally applies to you. If three people in a dungeon want to go fast but you, as the potential tank, don't. Your posts have screamed "I'm the dictator here! We're doing things my way because I'm the tank!" Thus, you're now subjecting three other players to your selfish expectations. Of course, that's okay because tanks dictate the pace and all that nonsense, right? Likewise, you're demanding upwards of 23 other people in a raid to wait around for cutscenes. Now if they do, that's cool. I usually do myself. If they don't though, it's also fine. When you queue into Duty Finder, you get whatever you get. Isn't that what us "speed runners" are always told?

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Originally Posted by YukikoKurosawa

They're also perfectly capable of not running ahead when I, the tank, will already be doing that anyway unless the healer wants me to go slower. They can also be given a firm reminder of how much more replaceable they are as dps compared to the tank if they want to make this a problem.

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Contrary to popular belief, tanks and even healers are just as replaceable. It usually takes less than five minutes for another tank to pop in should someone leave or be kicked. The DF always prioritizes filling active duties before creating new ones. Unless you're running stuff at odd hours, you'll get a replacement quickly. No role is special.

Although, it's a bit ironic you cop this attitude, which is inherently selfish, yet claim it's everyone else who's toxic.

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Originally Posted by YukikoKurosawa

They're also perfectly capable of not running ahead when I, the tank, will already be doing that anyway unless the healer wants me to go slower. They can also be given a firm reminder of how much more replaceable they are as dps compared to the tank if they want to make this a problem.

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I am not surprised that you are just trying to flex your self proclaimed power over someone else but it's still pretty sad to see. It seems i was 100% on the mark when I said some people in this thread are just looking for slaves instead of fellow players, you are the perfect example of this. There is no inherent problem with a dps pulling ahead, you are making it one by refusing to do your job. You accuse others of only thinking about themselves but in reality you are just projecting from yourself.

Make no mistake, you are replaceable aswell or not needed at all with a good party.

People don't like this take, but you don't pay their sub. So you don't get to dictate how people should play, ever.

As long as none of them are actively harming or flaming you, it's none of your business how others choose to engage with the game.

If you cannot find peace with that, seek people on discords or other places who share your game etiquette and play everything along them.

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Originally Posted by ForteNightshade

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The hilarious thing is that the people who are most likely to get bottom bothered by someone pulling ahead of them are usually the type to pull small, in which case a tank is not necessary and you can clear the dungeon in approximately equivalent time even without them. I will always kick prima donna tanks without any regret whatsoever cos I ain't got time for that attitude.

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Originally Posted by Saraide

I am not surprised that you are just trying to flex your self proclaimed power over someone else but it's still pretty sad to see. It seems i was 100% on the mark when I said some people in this thread are just looking for slaves instead of fellow players, you are the perfect example of this. There is no inherent problem with a dps pulling ahead, you are making it one by refusing to do your job. You accuse others of only thinking about themselves but in reality you are just projecting from yourself.

Make no mistake, you are replaceable aswell or not needed at all with a good party.

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I'll repeat this until you understand.

You don't have to pull

You don't have to pull

You don't have to pull

You don't have to pull

No one is forcing you to pull ahead of the tank. No one is forcing you to pull when someone is in a cutscene. You are making these actions of your own free will. If someone is in a cutscene and you're pulling they are not in the wrong for watching said scene and not helping you until they're done. When you decide to pull while your healer is in a cutscene that is something you did entirely of your own volition whne you could just have well have waited, you don't get to complain, or go cite TOS because they didn't help you when you made the conscious choice to pull without making sure or not caring that your whole party was ready. That's on you. You seem to think you get to dictate the course of a dungeon, and that others should respect you and your time but don't want to return the favor and unironically are moralizing other people like myself over this same issue when it's you that's in need of some perspective.

You keep trying to make justifications I will simply ask who forced you to pull in the first place? No one. Especially when I and most other tanks will 2-group pull and have no need for a dps with a short attention span pulling for me. I will already be doing fast, large pulls so your assistance is not needed.

You don't pay my sub? Cool, you also don't pay my sub. Funny how that works.

It's hilarious how the self-proclaimed "good guys" are unironically the rudest people in this thread.

I watch every cutscene on every character ONCE. I do this partially because I enjoy them (I do not enjoy the replays in the inn room) and partially because I hate hitting the button to skip it when in a dungeon. By watching it once I can use the setting to skip previously viewed cutscenes.

Now that said I really don't get bent if people pull while I am viewing it. They do need to be aware of a couple glitches that are possible if they do that. Glitch 1: If the boss gate closes on the player watching the cutscene it can kill the player through no fault of their own. Glitch 2 (which happened to me recently): When the player then tries to join the fight it is possible for them to get stuck IN the barrier and be unable to enter the fighting arena or back out of the fence. In which case all they can do is lob ranged attacks when a mob is in reach (in my case I was throwing a lance at anything that got in range LOL)

I really don't think either glitch is common but if you pull the boss just be aware that can happen and don't berate the victim of it should it happen. As far as I know there is no good way of preventing either.