Pulling the bosses In dungeons as DPS a thing now?

Had a group last night in Stone Vigil Hard that the DPS ran ahead and pulled, even though I was pulling wall-to-wall. I just adjusted and just took what they pulled. Healer handled it very well and even DPSd. The damage from the DPS was high enough to warrant it.

They would sprint in on boss fights and pull.

I didn't have any problem with it. I just grabbed what they pulled and tanked. Stuff died to fast to care.

I don't blame them, DPS have the longest queues in 50/60/70 DR. I can understand they want to get this done and do something else.

What I am miffed about, is that I have gotten Stone Vigil Hard three times within two weeks; prior to ShB, I was never placed in it through DR...

You're in a dungeon and you're doing a 10 second pull timer before you pull? Well I'm not surprised DPS pull then since they have procs that are being needlessly wasted.

Literally not seen even one DPS pull a boss in a dungeon this expansion personally.

All I wan (leveling dps now) is for tanks to spam their aoe moves now while running from pack to pack with adds so I can dps on the move.

There's zero reason to not be doing it with TP gone.

And FFS, USE.SPRINT.

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Originally Posted by Deceptus

All I wan (leveling dps now) is for tanks to spam their aoe moves now while running from pack to pack with adds so I can dps on the move.

There's zero reason to not be doing it with TP gone.

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There is a reason if you're Warrior. It's called "Overpower is target dependant, and will turn me around if I use it".

I don't need to be that disoriented, thanks.

Just had a RDM pull Eden 3 Normal during a ready check. Sry if are impatient enough to not even let a ready check finish when someone wasn't ready... im not tanking for you. Ill kill myself and watch until after the pull. Its direspectful for everyone if you are impatient enough just to see if everyone else is ready.

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Originally Posted by Ekimmak

There is a reason if you're Warrior. It's called "Overpower is target dependant, and will turn me around if I use it".

I don't need to be that disoriented, thanks.

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Spam Mythril Tempest.

Or tab target Tomahawk, I don't care which.

Or just hit Thrill of Battle or Equilibrium and generate like 300k threat.

The threat system of Shadowbringers is a joke, you click on 1 aoe button and every mobs attack you. The only way to fuck this up is by miscalculating the aoe range of your spell.

In general, there is 2 cases where a dps pulls before the tank : first is when everyone see that the group is doing great (good healer, good tank, good dps) and that dps are helping the tank by pulling some mobs (if done correctly it's always nice, even if not needed if the tank knows his stuff) / second is when the tank is slow as a snail, and waits 4 seconds before EVERY PULL and when he does pull it's 1-2 mobs at a time. And it's not even adjusting to the group's level, it's just a lack of knowledge on his tanking capabilities.

A good tank will rarely face a wild puller, because he will be ahead of the group and charging at the right times. A bad tank (aka "I wait 5sec in front of a boss when everyone is ready, or I pull 2 mobs at a time for the whole dungeon) will face this kind of situations... but he's often at fault for being slow. ALSO ALSO, I see MANY tanks failing at using the good threat spells at the right times... even if you have only 2 main spells (the single target range attack, and the aoe one) : USE THE AOE, SPAM THE FUCK OUT OF THE AOE, DON'T USE THE RANGE ATTACK ONLY, YOUR DPS WILL AOE MOBS DOWN ON THE MOVE IF THEY CAN, USE THE RANGED ATTACK ONLY IF THEIR ARE FEW TARGETS ON YOUR PATH AND THEY ARE FAR AWAY FROM EACH OTHERS. That's it.

We all have a job to do : healers need to heal / dps need to dps (and let's face it : MANY dps don't know what an aoe rotation is. I have seen many "Ice" BLM. The fun part is that, when you tell them to click on their FIRE SPELLS, they say stuff like "I'm tired today, I want to sleep, I don't have the strenght to press the rotation so I just use infinite MP ice spells lul" or "I used them now, happy lol ?") / and tanks need to pace the dungeon well (because tanking is a non ussie in itself). Can you understand that a dps has to wait much more than you in queue, and when he's in, he sees his tank pulling 1 weak pack at a time ? For the whole dungeon ? That's infuriating.

So yeah, don't be petty. Press your god damn threat generating spells and do your job. Instead of being a "He DoeS NoT REsPeCT mE As ThE TaNK" manchild, press your god damn buttons and lean how to pace the dungeon.

And to the "try to communicate with your tank ;) ;)" argument, the problem is that some tanks will indeed be petty and refuse to do so BECAUSE you asked them. "I will not be ordered around, I'm the tank, you will do as I say", it's not that rare to hear it.

Literally everything generates aggro, it's crazy. This is some reddit jerking yourself off because you're the tank nonsense.

I bet you hated getting DNC is roulettes because Standard/Technical Finish are such huge AOEs they can pull half the dungeon without even intending to.

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Originally Posted by ColaSama

In general, there is 2 cases where a dps pulls before the tank : first is when everyone see that the group is doing great (good healer, good tank, good dps) and that dps are helping the tank by pulling some mobs (if done correctly it's always nice, even if not needed if the tank knows his stuff) / second is when the tank is slow as a snail, and waits 4 seconds before EVERY PULL and when he does pull it's 1-2 mobs at a time. And it's not even adjusting to the group's level, it's just a lack of knowledge on his tanking capabilities.

A good tank will rarely face a wild puller, because he will be ahead of the group and charging at the right times. A bad tank (aka "I wait 5sec in front of a boss when everyone is ready, or I pull 2 mobs at a time for the whole dungeon) will face this kind of situations... but he's often at fault for being slow.

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Quoted for accuracy. DPS that pull are arseholes, but so are you for being so damn slow. Literally nobody needs a countdown for a boss in a dungeon; you very likely cost the DPS damage due to ticking buffs or cooldowns.

The DPS in the screenshot was a moron but you shouldn't take that as justification for your actions (both leading up to and after the fact).

I don't typically pull ahead of slow tanks because it's not worth the trouble, but in every case where the other dps (or often even the healer) does and the tank throws a hissy and leaves the group or whatever, the groups just keeps on going without issue, gets another tank within 20 seconds, and generally goes at a much faster speed as a result because generally people that have found and bother to turn on join group in progress tend to be less stupid somehow.

It's rare that it's turned out bad for me as a dps or healer when a slow tank decides to prove a point.

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Originally Posted by Deceptus

All I wan (leveling dps now) is for tanks to spam their aoe moves now while running from pack to pack with adds so I can dps on the move.

There's zero reason to not be doing it with TP gone.

And FFS, USE.SPRINT.

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Sprint is absolutely necessary for pulling, this is right.
Its best used when you pull first group, use sprint and pull everything else in order to avoid damage from mobs, its a part of useful tank mitigation.
But you cant sprint pull and damage mobs with aoe them at the same time, because you will take damage that way.
Tanks should never stop for using aoe during the pull, a dps SHOULD STOP DAMAGING THEM because enmity will jump from tank to dps and will only cause havoc.

Tanks should not stop and should not take time to aoe already pulled mobs, because it will damage the tank and could cause a wipe if healer has no CD available or has bad reflex.