Genderlock reminder to SE

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Originally Posted by Lacan

so what is the point of trying to say the majority thinks a certain way when we can't possibly know that? :v The only thing we have to go off of are the people who actually do say something, and there are way more people requesting the genderlocks be removed than there are people speaking out in support of them.

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you answered your own question, which is why i just repeated you with the same quote given to Nixon when "silent majority" was first coined. The choices are not a binary "yes/no". NOT voting, NOT having an opinion, NOT caring, etc, are all valid choices. "Silence is an answer". By saying nothing, they are saying they do not care.

have you ever texted a potential partner interest IRL and get no text back?

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Originally Posted by WaterShield

He gets it.

Until we get an unbiased poll of the player base... these threads are pointless.

I'm mainly here to keep the other side grounded with some form of opposition. It wouldn't do for them to think no one opposes what they want and be surprised by it later.

Edit: I'm also legitimately against male Viera and female Hrothgar being added to the game as they will absolutely result in some other content getting cut.

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We have had an unbiased poll though. At least in terms of which race is more desired than the other, also content won't be cut, all Yoshida said was that it was resource and time intensive, nowhere in any statement did he say it would result in x or y content being cut. That's just a boogeyman tactic, that's like saying gunbreaker was added so they had to cut potential gathering content, or vice versa.

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Originally Posted by Nora_of_Mira

By saying nothing, they are saying they do not care.

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And how do you know they say nothing? Have you been to each individual tumblr and blog? Have you been to each of the other sub forums here? Have you witnessed each Kugane or Ul'dah shout chat since this broke out? Got the statistics on reddit? 2chan? Facebook?
You confuse lack of visibility for silence. This is the tree falling in the wood with no one there to hear it. It could be it didn't fall; could also be you just didn't hear it. We just don't know, and I doubt anyone on the forums have any capacity to tell until SE comes forward with a statement.

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Originally Posted by Nora_of_Mira

you answered your own question, which is why i just repeated you with the same quote given to Nixon when "silent majority" was first coined. The choices are not a binary "yes/no". NOT voting, NOT having an opinion, NOT caring, etc, are all valid choices. "Silence is an answer". By saying nothing, they are saying they do not care.

have you ever texted a potential partner interest IRL and get no text back?

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So why are we including the people who don't care one way or another into the equation? :v I mean, I'm not disagreeing with you, I just don't see the relevance. In general the majority isn't going to care about anything. The majority didn't care about the 1.0 genderlocks either. There were even less topics about those races than there are about the new ones. The fact there is a sizable number of people speaking out about the issue is significant in and of itself.

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Originally Posted by Lacan

So why are we including the people who don't care one way or another into the equation? :v I mean, I'm not disagreeing with you, I just don't see the relevance. In general the majority isn't going to care about anything. The majority didn't care about the 1.0 genderlocks either. There were even less topics about those races than there are about the new ones. The fact there is a sizable number of people speaking out about the issue is significant in and of itself.

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If we're including people who aren't affected by the genderlock but vote against it solely on principle, all bets are off.

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Originally Posted by MrKimper

We have had an unbiased poll though. At least in terms of which race is more desired than the other, also content won't be cut, all Yoshida said was that it was resource and time intensive, nowhere in any statement did he say it would result in x or y content being cut. That's just a boogeyman tactic, that's like saying gunbreaker was added so they had to cut potential gathering content, or vice versa.

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No it's simple logic considering a finite resource. If you use it for one thing... you by default are ending the possibility of using it on something else.... because it has already been consumed.

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Originally Posted by WaterShield

No it's simple logic considering a finite resource. If you use it for one thing... you by default are ending the possibility of using it on something else.... because it has already been consumed.

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Again, it's a fallacy because that's essentially saying all content comes at the cost of others, they aren't going to cancel content in the pipeline for modeling. That isn't feasible or logical to assume in the slightest, especially based off of what Yoshida has said himself, that line of thought is just meant to incite irrational hostility. Again it's like people blaming BLU for why there weren't any ultimates, content released will already have been in the pipeline to begin with, they will not cancel content already prepared to be released. At most it'll be delayed by a patch like diadem and eureka were(for reasons we weren't made aware of aside from bug testing) but they will not be canceled.

Any content for the patches is already in pre-production most likely.

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Originally Posted by MrKimper

Again, it's a fallacy because that's essentially saying all content comes at the cost of others, they aren't going to cancel content in the pipeline for modeling. That isn't feasible or logical to assume in the slightest, especially based off of what Yoshida has said himself, that line of thought is just meant to incite irrational hostility. Again it's like people blaming BLU for why there weren't any ultimates, content released will already have been in the pipeline to begin with, they will not cancel content already prepared to be released. At most it'll be delayed by a patch like diadem and eureka were(for reasons we weren't made aware of aside from bug testing) but they will not be canceled.

Any content for the patches is already in pre-production most likely.

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I'm not suggesting they will cancel things already in development... those can be considered other parts of the finite resource already spent. It will 100% effect what "MAY" have been added to the game but would not be approved due to funds being allocated to this instead.

As I do not care about male Viera or female Hrothgar, I do not support their inclusion as I would rather have literally anything else done with the budget.

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Originally Posted by WaterShield

I'm not suggesting they will cancel things already in development... those can be considered other parts of the finite resource already spent. It will 100% effect what "MAY" have been added to the game but would not be approved due to funds being allocated to this instead.

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That speculation however, we have no way of knowing what they have planned to release, again you could say that...for everything. Ishgard housing "MAY" have taken away from new eureka housing, Gunbreaker "MAY" have taken away from a healing job being added, DRk reworks "MAY" take away from scholar reworks. Egi-glamours "MAY" take away from new lords of verminion content.

My key point is that that speculation isn't constructive as it relies on imaginary content that we "MAY" not have gotten because of the other races--but like BLU with ultimate it could just be because of a separately related issue, I'm sure content has been canceled for other reasons than another content taking priority. Dev interest, Resource burden, Good concept bad execution. Multitudes of things.

Edit: that's fine, my statement is that your argument for it causing cancellation of content is a fallacy. Now if in your "OPINION" you believe it is a waste of resources, that's something I can't argue with, as it is your opinion.

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Originally Posted by MrKimper

That speculation however, we have no way of knowing what they have planned to release, again you could say that...for everything. Ishgard housing "MAY" have taken away from new eureka housing, Gunbreaker "MAY" have taken away from a healing job being added, DRk reworks "MAY" take away from scholar reworks. Egi-glamours "MAY" take away from new lords of verminion content.

My key point is that that speculation isn't constructive as it relies on imaginary content that we "MAY" not have gotten because of the other races--but like BLU with ultimate it could just be because of a separately related issue, I'm sure content has been canceled for other reasons than another content taking priority. Dev interest, Resource burden, Good concept bad execution. Multitudes of things.

Edit: that's fine, my statement is that your argument for it causing cancellation of content is a fallacy. Now if in your "OPINION" you believe it is a waste of resources, that's something I can't argue with, as it is your opinion.

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Yes it is a waste of resources in my opinion (which I am not going to attempt to get you to agree to). I don't think Blu can be compared to races being added as they come at an astronomically higher cost. Blu was a mini game afforded little resources in its current iteration.

So I see adding male viera and female hrothgar as having a larger drain on resources and therefore a larger impact on the pipeline.

Edit: Also Square did say the reason we got female only Viera and male only Hrothgar is because they felt adding male Viera and female Hrothgar as well would be too much. They did what they did in order to please as many people as they felt they could while still keeping the same amount of content coming.