Please no more Eureka!

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Originally Posted by Alucard135

HoH has a value when you reach floors 31 - 100 if you want the pony mount and the rare drops from you can only get after floor 30 (like the dodo mount). It's not just for leveling. Take the rewards out and why would people bother doing it up to floor 100 more than once?



There you go, you would only bother with doing a hard content like savage if it's worth the effort (e.g. when it becomes unsynced I would assume). So what if there were no rewards from savage? Orbonne is fun but how many times would you actually do it if there was 0 rewards for it? For me, I only did it three times in total. First time for the clear and two times to help friends. And I'm sure I'm not the only one who wouldn't bother doing it that much if it weren't for the rewards. But I don't consider them as bad content because of that.

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You wish, with HoH having expiration date I meant that there is no reason to do it outside of leveling once you clear floor 100 five times, but guess what, HoH atleast serves a purpose, and in 5.0 it will be more active than Eureka at any point in time because people will go to level the new classes there. Eureka will be dead, forever, because it serves no purpose, at all.

And about savage, just an example, I did clear the tier of God Kefka up to Guardian first week with pugs in PF and second week I bothered looking for a static because I liked the glamours, I only bother looking for statics to do savage if the glamour is worth or the raid is actually something fun and special and not just two more mechanics than normal mode.

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Originally Posted by Reynhart

Let me reverse the question : If you consider that there's no battle content for casual players, what are Expert dungeons, normal trials, normal raids, and alliance raids ?

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I see this as the standard content we always get. The absolute minimum of an expansion (and we do get even less of that). Something that is there to get tomestones and maybe some glamour but not something that will keep people playing the game. (Only if you put some rewards behind it that have horrible RNG to get it)

In HW PotD was new casual content because it was something completely new to this game, you could casually work towards weapons and other rewards and people had 100 floors to clear with randoms. And on top of that you could try it solo, or with 1-3 other friends. Then on top of that people got their challenge with 100 extra floors. But it did not take away that you still got 100 floors that you could even do with randoms. And to make it even better you could use it to level up other jobs and to give these other jobs nice weapons. HoH is just another paint job of PotD thus I dont count it as new anymore and sadly they also took away so many floors for the casual playerbase. Just 30 floors which you can do in an hour if you are fast and 70 floors for those who wanted a challenge. Thus HoH has also turned a bit away from casual content.

The treasure maps are nice but they are not there to keep people playing longer. You dont level up your character, you dont get great weapons or stuff from it, its just simply there if you need a break from the rest of it and I like it but its nothing compared to huge Eureka.

Diadem also was something that I saw as casual. You could just queue up and then just do your thing. Be it gathering, or just fighting stuff. You did not even need to follow your group and you feared no consequences when you died. So in that way it was still quite casual but people did not find it to be fun long enough and on top of that the rewards you got from this also did not keep it alive. Thus casual content that was a failure because it did not really give the people something for their time.

Well what do we have truly new in SB? Well Eureka. But now suddenly after teasing us for months with this, its only niche content like Ultimate? But somehow the once casual relic weapon got also put in there? So do they want to say that relics are not anymore for casuals? So what is exactly for casuals anymore? What new content is there for the most of us? Why take one casual weapon away from us?

Eureka the thing that got more content than Ultimate together, but is somehow still niche. Did we ever had a content that was completely that isolated from normal content yet that big too? I mean so many landscapes just for it, the first 56 man public dungeon, a new fighting system too and its own leveling system with a death penalty. All this for niche content? All this for not even 20% of the JP playerbase, and even less than 10% for NA/EU(and we dont even have the numbers for the last one either)? Why? Where is the even more huge content for the rest of us?

Again I have no problem if we do have something like that but only if we have enough new battle stuff for the most of us. (I mean I dont raid but I am still happy that others got their Ultimates because at least they said that nothing was cut for that) I mean how much more different content could have been produced if they only did one Eureka and not four? If maybe it was just Anemos with logos actions and one public dungeon at the end and the rest would have been used for truly casual content? Why so much time and budget for such niche content? (And no I dont know how much it was in numbers but you just have to look at the size of the landscapes, new monsters, new actions and more and see that this is quite the work)

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Originally Posted by LaylaTsarra

You're joking right? For relics in Heavensward we didn't get new content we got the privilege of running all the old content a zillion times for tomes.

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Why are you using that quote for relics? I asked Reynhart where the casual content is in SB if Eureka was always planned as only niche content. Eureka is battle content and for me more than just a way to get relics (but for someone that wants the relics the only way to get it) thus this question had nothing to do with relic weapons and more with content itself.

This topic is about the whole Eureka and not about the relics itself, which are just one part of it.

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Originally Posted by Alleo

I see this as the standard content we always get. The absolute minimum of an expansion (and we do get even less of that). Something that is there to get tomestones and maybe some glamour but not something that will keep people playing the game. (Only if you put some rewards behind it that have horrible RNG to get it)

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Standard content is casual content. Gearing one job with basic tome gear requires 14 weeks of subscription for each even patch, and upgrading that gear requires at least 10 weeks of subscription for each odd patch. If a casual players actually want to stay closer to max ilvl, he has plenty of reason to come back into the game each week, especially if he has more than one job at level 70.

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Originally Posted by Alleo

Did we ever had a content that was completely that isolated from normal content yet that big too?

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Yes, we did, it's called PvP.

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Originally Posted by Alleo

Where is the even more huge content for the rest of us?

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Why should people that, by definition, have less time to play should have a more huge content ?

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Originally Posted by Alleo

This topic is about the whole Eureka and not about the relics itself, which are just one part of it.

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No you're talking about new battle content and where is it as if Eureka stole it away from you in Stormblood but didn't do so in Heavensward? Isn't that your implication? The point is we got lots of new battle content is Eureka but you choose not to do it. We got nothing new in Stormblood other than recycled content in Heavensward and ARR.

Your attempt to keep trying to push relic in Stormblood as niche while ignoring it's not more niche in Stormblood than it was in Heavensward and appears to be actually more popular. Here we got a lot of new content for relic where we didn't get that in HW. Sorry if that new content doesn't meet with your approval.

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Originally Posted by Reynhart

Standard content is casual content. Gearing one job with basic tome gear requires 14 weeks of subscription for each even patch, and upgrading that gear requires at least 10 weeks of subscription for each odd patch. If a casual players actually want to stay closer to max ilvl, he has plenty of reason to come back into the game each week, especially if he has more than one job at level 70.

Yes, we did, it's called PvP.

Why should people that, by definition, have less time to play should have a more huge content ?

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Again standard content is standard content. You wont keep a lot of the casual players playing if you only have a couple of dungeons, trials and the two raids. They are nice, they are necessary but they are also done fast. Which is already a problem with each new patch because people are often finishing it fast and if you are not a raider or like Eureka (which as you said is only for a niche anyway) then you have nothing else to grind for thus nothing else to sub for.

You are right PVP is a huge thing but honestly still niche (and kinda a bit dead for quite some maps) and not that isolated like Eureka. You can level up your characters there (which was probably a change done to get more people to play it) and work towards some rewards but in the end its still niche content.

About more huge content for players with less time: Because like PotD even if you dont have much time you can work towards your goal slowly, without having to grind it hardcore at the start of a patch and still get something out of it all the time. Also because the standard content we have dont hold up for long. If you dont want to grind if for some glamours you might just do your dailies and be done with that content. So what now? Here it would be perfect to have casual content that you can do on your own time.

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Originally Posted by LaylaTsarra

No you're talking about new battle content and where is it as if Eureka stole it away from you in Stormblood but didn't do so in Heavensward? Isn't that your implication? The point is we got lots of new battle content is Eureka but you choose not to do it. We got nothing new in Stormblood other than recycled content in Heavensward and ARR.

Your attempt to keep trying to push relic in Stormblood as niche while ignoring it's not more niche in Stormblood than it was in Heavensward and appears to be actually more popular. Here we got a lot of new content for relic where we didn't get that in HW. Sorry if that new content doesn't meet with your approval.

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The only thing where I talked about the relic was a few pages back when someone said that we are never happy as customers and when someone used Eureka numbers to make a point about it. Otherwise I am talking about battle content itself which Eureka is, but as numbers show and as Reynhard tries to say, its somehow niche content thus not for the casual players.

In HW we got new battle content, it was called PoTD and then we got two versions of Diadem. Sadly both Diadems failed but they were still quite casual content. The only thing that is truly new in SB is Eureka which, if we can Yoshidas quote for real, was always meant to just be something niche. So where is the true casual battle content?

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Originally Posted by LaylaTsarra

No you're talking about new battle content and where is it as if Eureka stole it away from you in Stormblood but didn't do so in Heavensward? Isn't that your implication? The point is we got lots of new battle content is Eureka but you choose not to do it. We got nothing new in Stormblood other than recycled content in Heavensward and ARR.

Your attempt to keep trying to push relic in Stormblood as niche while ignoring it's not more niche in Stormblood than it was in Heavensward and appears to be actually more popular. Here we got a lot of new content for relic where we didn't get that in HW. Sorry if that new content doesn't meet with your approval.

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Afk in the camp and run to fates when they spawn isn't battle content.

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Originally Posted by Leanna

Afk in the camp and run to fates when they spawn isn't battle content.

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Oh so that's how you play it right. You're one of those sit and let other do the work for you got it.

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Originally Posted by LaylaTsarra

Oh so that's how you play it right. You're one of those sit and let other do the work for you got it.

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I don't even do Eureka but whatever ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

That's what you see on every single map when you enter, all max level people afk while the new low level has to suffer spawning anything.

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Originally Posted by Alleo

About more huge content for players with less time: Because like PotD even if you dont have much time you can work towards your goal slowly, without having to grind it hardcore at the start of a patch and still get something out of it all the time. Also because the standard content we have dont hold up for long. If you dont want to grind if for some glamours you might just do your dailies and be done with that content. So what now? Here it would be perfect to have casual content that you can do on your own time.

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You can work on Eureka very slowly. No need to rush at all. From Anemos to Hydatos there is always a full instance going.
You could just log in, join an instance, do some fates for 30-60 mins, or do some challenge log and log out again.
No need to rush or no-life it at all. You sound like you never really tried the content you are hating on.

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Originally Posted by Leanna

I don't even do Eureka but whatever ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

That's what you see on every single map when you enter.

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Oh you did... got to elemental 38 correct so you did do it. At least keep your story consistent. And yes there are people who afk and leech off others and there are those who engage the content as it was intended. That's a personal choice.