Things to think about before you call someone "Bad"

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Originally Posted by SekkerOfTrust

You all shows urselfs, i didnt came here to talk about grammar. Just loged to forum because i had enough. Raiders and hardcore players are the most toxic i have seen in any MMO ever. I can understand some of ppl plays for many years already that doesnt mean everyone else does. That ''watch a guide after 5hours'' its an attitude most of raiders does. Imo SE should remove ''the static'' system actually rolls, it just exclude people. You all used to learn and play few hardest contents maps and think u are better than everyone else. I proved myself while for example i was farming Sephi Ex whit 5/8 ppl whit diamond gear and they died over and over and i was the last standing most of the times. System right now allows you to ''try'' or ''learn'' a savage fight for 3 days after that you will find a party clear or a learning party that dont make to second mechanic of boss. If you dont have a friend/fc/linkshell to help you to clear u are excluded to that content due to elitist and static system. People learn while playing, when i touched Ridorama first time i was like huh thats a real hard stuff and after 10 runs i do it whitout a fail or death. At the end common raiders that just log to do that cuz have all the content/achives/etc done dont care of other ppl. Whats the people that cleared savage? 20-25%? Im sure many more players will do if they dont find that barrier of static/rude/elitist group that exclude them, many of the non-raider are willing to learn and does and im sure many will be on pair to actual raiders if had a chance but raiders keep excluding em cuz go whit a static clear for week and done, imnot saying 100% of playerbase are ready to clear it due to dps check but why bother SE put the most effort to content for 20% of playerbase? They dont, its people that keep ''exclusive''. The actual raiders are holding his ego cuz this game has to much content and people that dont try or get trown away can spare is time on other stuff or you will see ppl banishes from servers.I wont argue more about it, only SE can change the status because u cant have faith on people.

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Nah, your point was not proven. You used two runs to paint at least 1/5 of the community (by your own numbers) then got butthurt that they called you out on it. Statics exist because people like consistency. Idk about Chaos, but on the NA datacenters it is pretty easy to find groups to pug with. They have discords just for that. It may also be amazing to you, but not all endgame raiders have seen old content. Some of the fights are so easy unsynced that they leave a general impression that the rest will be a cake walk as well (when that isn't always the case because you can't skip mechanics). I know the pain of trying to do Sephirot EX with people who have never done the fight, nor watched a video, but that doesn't mean you are superior to them. You are literally being a hippocrit in the way you even addressed that.

Next time you try to complain, you will get better reception if you don't group a large portion of the playerbase together. You are being more toxic than the vast majority of raiders I have met. If anything most the ones I know want to help people improve, but when they try they get insulted. There is nothing wrong with expecting people to carry their own weight as well.

(PS: Please, for the love of god, break up your text going forward. That is painful to read.)

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Originally Posted by Legion88

Sorry, but i'm 3 weeks behind and had to grind gear to actually get into Savage.
I needed 1 hour to learn all elemental phasesa nd the transition phase of O9S.
But now i'm stuck and can't get a clear because people are joining my PFs labeled as "kill, know mechanics, have enrage experience, 3 strikes" with zero (0) experience in any phase of the fight and wiping the party on the first mechanic.
For 2 complete weeks now i'm kicking players out of my parties because they a) don't meet the expectations stated in the PF description b) can't play their job on an acceptable level for Savage content c) are immune to advices and d) are in no way prepared for for the content.
And then they start to berate me in /tell what gives me the right to exclude them. Where are we here? It's my f*****g party with my rules and i have every right to enforce my rules there.

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That state my point, well ppl shouldnt join if dont meet what u ask for, but as i say the system excluded u, u will lucky to find a party to clear that already cleared and willing to play whit u, or if guildmate/friend help u, otherwise the rest of who join u will maybe dont have the time exp. on the boss cuz they are 1)dumb/trolling or 2)(and sadly mos of times) they get trown out before in wrong manners, removed that instance from stuff to do and dont have the exp. enough to keep up even whit some wipes. You can poke the players cuz they dont get you that clear, but arent the people, is the system.
Also i see many ppl refers ppl at PuG's, there is no PuG's in this game at all, PuG = Player under Geared, how someone can be undergeared when instance ask u for min ilvl or PF set-up min ilvl. its another word to disrespec the players that didnt spent 20hours first day of realise of a instance to learn what is goin.

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Originally Posted by Mixt

Content is five hours old.

"Watch a guide!" they say

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Is it so hard to just avoid PUGs that require you have a solid understanding of the mechanics or ask for highly skilled players?

I mean, if I'm recruiting for "x speedkill farm" and you have no idea about how well you perform dps wise or you still need some time to get used the mechanics, please don't join my party and start your own "x learning take it easy" party.

Why do people think they have the right to join a party even when they don't meet the requirements that the recruiter asked for?

Even on D1 of a patch, people have every right to try the content and then look for other players that tried the content themselves in order to try and clear it.

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Originally Posted by SekkerOfTrust

Also i see many ppl refers ppl at PuG's, there is no PuG's in this game at all, PuG = Player under Geared, how someone can be undergeared when instance ask u for min ilvl or PF set-up min ilvl. its another word to disrespec the players that didnt spent 20hours first day of realise of a instance to learn what is goin.

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Originally Posted by SekkerOfTrust

Im talking about Chaos Center, i cant say about the rest becuase i never played there, and isnt just one or two cases, it happens on most of hard content, and im not the only who noticed that as i many i saw over my 3 months playing says almost the same, even joined a hunt linkshell where many of em was raiders and saw how they talk about other players, its awfull. Raider tend to put trolls or #iwontlearnnever or #iwatchNetfilxwhileplaying on the same boat went it comes to hard content, then u see em struggle on normal content sometimes. As i normally go healer, if i make to find one of em in dungeons lets say they only will get heal for unavoidable damage if they arent the tank, and if they cry just ''git gut'' but i know this isnt good because everyone can make a mistake but if u do a mistake on savage even going blind on day 1-2 u get fired out. Maybe i need to change and play whit japanese folks or just quit, they arent harrashing like on Chaos.

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Just saw the log of when you did o12n, and from looking at it, anyone can tell you you got carried all the way through it. Not only is your dps as a whm is almost nonexistent, you didn’t even do much healing. No medica 2, no cures, only assize 4 times. This is primarily why you’re getting kicked from savage parties, almost no usage of your skills and no contribution. New player or not, this doesn’t excuse your party having to carry you through content that isn’t even savage.

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Originally Posted by Purrsnikitty

Nah, your point was not proven. You used two runs to paint at least 1/5 of the community (by your own numbers) then got butthurt that they called you out on it. Statics exist because people like consistency. Idk about Chaos, but on the NA datacenters it is pretty easy to find groups to pug with. They have discords just for that. It may also be amazing to you, but not all endgame raiders have seen old content. Some of the fights are so easy unsynced that they leave a general impression that the rest will be a cake walk as well (when that isn't always the case because you can't skip mechanics). I know the pain of trying to do Sephirot EX with people who have never done the fight, nor watched a video, but that doesn't mean you are superior to them. You are literally being a hippocrit in the way you even addressed that.

Next time you try to complain, you will get better reception if you don't group a large portion of the playerbase together. You are being more toxic than the vast majority of raiders I have met. If anything most the ones I know want to help people improve, but when they try they get insulted. There is nothing wrong with expecting people to carry their own weight as well.

(PS: Please, for the love of god, break up your text going forward. That is painful to read.)

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The example of Sephirot wasnt to prove im better than them, its to prove that everyone can do savage whit gear on equal, just need practice on mechanics like any other end game content. The problem the is no mid practice for savage, u join a wipe in 20 seconds or a clear party that will first check ur logs/or idc what or if u do even 1 mistake u are out. Then u check on PF and see ppl selling clears of hard content for money (idk if gil or real money).

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Originally Posted by Daibunnie

Just saw the log of when you did o12n, and from looking at it, anyone can tell you you got carried all the way through it. Not only is your dps as a whm is almost nonexistent, you didn’t even do much healing. No medica 2, no cures, only assize 4 times. This is primarily why you’re getting kicked from savage parties, almost no usage of your skills and no contribution. New player or not, this doesn’t excuse your party having to carry you through content that isn’t even savage.

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yesterday did O12N yes, the fight ended whit MT, me as healer and 1 dps triple raised alive while death dps was asking if wipe or no, enjoy ur numbers

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Originally Posted by SekkerOfTrust

You all shows urselfs, i didnt came here to talk about grammar. Just loged to forum because i had enough. Raiders and hardcore players are the most toxic i have seen in any MMO ever. I can understand some of ppl plays for many years already that doesnt mean everyone else does. That ''watch a guide after 5hours'' its an attitude most of raiders does. Imo SE should remove ''the static'' system actually rolls, it just exclude people. You all used to learn and play few hardest contents maps and think u are better than everyone else.

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Whelp, here we go again with this nonsense.

Breaking News! "FFXIV Raiders on Rampage! Went to guy's house burned it down, and kicked their dog." More at Eleven!

You are doing the exact same thing you are complaining about. So hypocritical, but also I find this is so typical of people who say things like this so it is no longer shocking at all.

1. You randomly showed up and posted a rude generalization about an entire subset of the community (which it seems your original post got deleted, likely due to its rudeness). You think that isn't toxic? You are blaming thousands of players for the actions of 2 parties who randomly kicked you out.

2. You outright call an entire subset of the community "dumb" (and one other rude expletive that I won't retype) and expect not to get some backlash? So it is okay for you to call people dumb, but when you get some back at you then it is not okay?

I agree with Vidu on almost everything, and while I can understand answering an insult with an insult as a child in school is a bad idea....after you become an adult and are out in the real world you cannot expect to just insult people and not get some back at you.

You start going around calling other people dumb they might just throw some back at you. If you initiate rude behavior by insulting someone or a group of people then you have to accept responsibility for that action.

I mean if you walk up to some strangers on the street and call them all dumb, what do you think would happen? Sure, some people might laugh at you and walk away, but some might just insult you back, and I honestly can't say that I would blame them. /shrug

3. You claim raiders think they are "better than everyone else", but you are doing the same thing, so hypocrisy strikes again. You think you are towering over everyone with your holier-than-thou morally superior high ground, like "oh I would never be that mean to other players" (yet you just insulted an entire subset of us), and telling everyone else to stop being rude toxic players and just play with you even if they don't want to....

You cannot force people in a MMO to play with you if they don't want to. It will never happen. People are free to choose just as you are free to choose.

PS. I don't know ANY raiders (I know a lot) that would demand a guide be watched 5 hrs after patch drop. In fact I have never seen such nonsense in-game at all. I am a raider and I don't expect people to even watch guides at all? Got any proof this happened? Because it seems like an anomaly (if it happened at all).

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Originally Posted by Mixt

"Rage rage rage rage rage imabighypocrite rage rage rage missingthepointi'mtryingtomake rage rage rage incoherentscreaming rageragerage!"

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I feel like you could have saved yourself time and just posted that.

Honestly where does this happen? I'm in things on patch morning for quite a few patches now and I've never seen someone behave this way. I've never even seen a guide brought up other than some people asking the party if they know of a good guide for a given fight yet.

It's crazy because I know a lot of people that are playing content when it's brand new and never hear a peep about this sort of behavior from them.

Maybe you're getting some bad eggs? Or maybe this just suits your preferred narrative.

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Originally Posted by SekkerOfTrust

The example of Sephirot wasnt to prove im better than them, its to prove that everyone can do savage whit gear on equal, just need practice on mechanics like any other end game content. The problem the is no mid practice for savage, u join a wipe in 20 seconds or a clear party that will first check ur logs/or idc what or if u do even 1 mistake u are out. Then u check on PF and see ppl selling clears of hard content for money (idk if gil or real money).

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What's the point you're trying to make?

It really seems like you're just mad at other players for being better than you at the game. Anyway "I can do it too with that gear" doesn't really convince anyone. Actually, it's kind of a joke at this point in most communities. Come back again when you can prove you cleared o12s with an average ilvl 380 party instead of trying to downplay other players' achievements. In that case someone may actually care about your opinion...

(Thank god we have fflogs so we can realize what kind of player we're takling to...)