Dev blog: New Feast rewards

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8qb-h0sXkH4

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ybOvddwpJAg


Also please be excited for when all your shit inevitably gets ganked for the Mog Station/throwaway model reuse to save some pennies on art assets. Nothing in this game is sacred. I'll try to remember to laugh if the vaunted "more expensive than Fenrir" MGP stuff winds up being some of the earlier Feast season glamours/mounts. They put Garo's stuff there, after all.

They've had this "exclusive feast only season rewards" for going on two years ago. It doesn't draw people to the mode or foster any real spirit of competition. You can't work for it, because pvp players have discovered that if you rush the season early and just stop playing, no one will be able to get any queues to challenge you. It's actually a perverse incentive, since the more people who play the less percentage of people who can get the mount in the first place.

people should just be honest and say "i deserve this for suffering through enough feast and all its brokenness to place." then its ok imo.

TBH this is annoying, but at this point, we're hoping to God eureka doesn't suck. Bigger worries.

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Originally Posted by Aviars

Because peopleseem to just repeat themselves over and over again I will just gather up every reason people think PVP shouldn't have exclusive rewards from what I observed and debunk them one by one.

1. SE should be consistent. PVP is the only game mode that offers a exclusive item that is only obtainable by 100 people per datacenter. It is unfair that PVP has this privilege.

First off, Square Enix is by no means obligated to stay within their trademarked and predicable ExtremePrimal + Savage Raid into 24man Raid/repeat and nothing else. Square Enix is allowed and ALSO ENCOURAGED to think outside of the box and provide the community with new ways to compete and play the game. Just because it upsets you that Square Enix is doing something new and different does not mean they are in the wrong.

If people are so insistent on Square Enix not changing why not complain about Ultimate Coil? It offers unprecedented difficulty, it offers a best in slot weapon outside of savage raids and title for that difficulty, it lies outside of the cookie cutter patch cycles that you've come to know/expect and it also features ilvl syncs even after it's gear relevancy. It is quite clearly a contradiction in their entire argument. Why don't people complain about that? I have my own thoughts about why that is, but I'll let you guys stew that one over.

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You're not debunking anything there, you're just stating that you want it to stay exclusive "just because", that's not a reason. I'd rather they keep things fair than keep unfairness "just because".

Ultimate coil is not time exclusive and the weapon has the same ilvl as savage weapons, it also comes after savage weapons, and you are even expected to have max ilvl before tackling it.

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Originally Posted by alimdia

You're not debunking anything there, you're just stating that you want it to stay exclusive "just because", that's not a reason. I'd rather they keep things fair than keep unfairness "just because".

Ultimate coil is not time exclusive and the weapon has the same ilvl as savage weapons, it also comes after savage weapons, and you are even expected to have max ilvl before tackling it.

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he just said the reason why they should stay exclusive is because its the natural spirit of competition LOL, i'm starting to see what he means by people completely ignoring his statements. it doesn't have to fair when the whole premise of the rewards existing is through skill. by your logic i can say "those who cleared o8s and got their weapon is unfair just because they're better than me"

Limited to 100 people probably won't get a lot of fresh blood. You can queue with a friend for Feast right? But why bring a friend who might bump you down to 101.

You know what caused a PVP surge for months and months? Garo. You know what wasn't limited to 100 people? Garo. You know what wasn't a horrible, soulless grind to get every achievement...

It's like they just don't learn. Those who forget the past are doomed to piss off their playerbase every other patch.

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Originally Posted by NolLacnala

Limited to 100 people probably won't get a lot of fresh blood. You can queue with a friend for Feast right? But why bring a friend who might bump you down to 101.

You know what caused a PVP surge for months and months? Garo. You know what wasn't limited to 100 people? Garo. You know what wasn't a horrible, soulless grind to get every achievement...

It's like they just don't learn. Those who forget the past are doomed to piss off their playerbase every other patch.

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I didn't mind PvP prior to Garo, but...man, I grinded the crap out of that until I had all 3 mounts and the gear I wanted. It really revitalized the PvP scene for a few weeks. There's just other issues that need fixing now which have already been mentioned in this thread. Limited time rewards won't get more people to play PvP. They can stay for all I care, but if the goal is to get more people into it...it's not working. They just need to make it more worthwhile. Also actually fun. I probably would have queued for FL roulette when I came back about 3 weeks ago, but I already had the marks for the new set for SAM, so...yeah. Would have been done after I finished that grind anyway until the next rewards are introduced.

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Originally Posted by Mutemutt

And I'm not sure why you think limiting the amount of ranked games one can play would be a good idea. I can't think of any game with a pvp season that has a limit like that, and for good reason; it's always time based from what I can see.

In case you're wondering, I think the best way for SE to get more people to participate in ranked feast would be to offer better rewards through the wolf collar system they only barely just made. I don't think the mount for the top 100 absolutely has to be one of the things offer by the wolf collars though.

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Because that would make it more competitive. For example they could say that you have to do like 200 matches in the season (which is still a lot for the non-pvpers) and if someone only wins half of them they might be at the top at the start of the season but might also not get it at the end because someone with more skill came and won like 80% of it. This way more competitive than someone just having lots of time at the start and then sit on it. I even pointed out that we might not need such a limit if they would introduce a rank decay. This way people cant simply sit on their wins because they would lose their rank over time and thus the season would be alive till the very end. Anything like that is better than what we have now.

Seeing how SE puts more glamour and mounts behind PVP they seem to believe that those are the carrots that people need to go there. Thus having the mount still out of reach might not increase the participation. I mean you dont see threads about the exclusive gear and stuff, its mostly just the mounts and thus they should be part of that too.

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Originally Posted by Aviars

This may be a foreign concept to many people in FF14 but not everything is made specifically for you. SE made it top 100 for a reason. They want The Feast to be a competition and the rewards that only the top 100 receive reflect that. Just because you are decently skilled at the game doesn't mean you are also a top 100 player and deserve it, that is the nature of competition. Not everyone gets a medal.

I find it quite strange so many people think they should have a significantly easier option to obtain the same rewards as people who got to the top 100. You basically invalidated the competition. If I could get 1 million dollars in a extremely easy way like a guaranteed lottery compared to creating a successful business, which would you do? Why work your butt off when you can get it for free? This is basically the mentality of the majority of people complaining in this thread and it is sad.

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Then they should introduce the system for savage too! Because lets be honest..savage is still harder than PVP..especially Ultimate. And yet there is no restriction there.

I already posted that the Feast cant be a true competition as long as cheaters and alt characters still exist and as long as no rank decay is there..because that will just lose every point of it being a competition.

Also why are you always saying that it should be the easy way? We even said that it should use the collar system and should be expensive there so that people need to do a lot of seasons and be at least decent at that to get the chance. Also if its a competition, how about just putting a title and a trophy there? Or would that suddenly not be enough?

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Originally Posted by Crit

for a more clear example of what i'm talking about, this is the WoW storm drake obtained from pve

and this is one of the time limited exclusive pvp storm drakes for the top 1%

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I really don't want them to go the same way like WoW, they sometimes have 100 reskins for 1 ugly mount, it gets very excessive.

What you don't see, another difference is the mountspeed. Arena mounts were usually faster than all other mounts in the wow game. This might be more interesting to me.