Summoner Over-Nered (and A few other Problems)

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Originally Posted by Neophyte

Because you can't get Physik out of Arcanist.

The only way to remove Physik from SMN, but leaving it on SCH, would be to make it the first job ability of SCH (at level 30).

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What they need to do is divorce Scholar completely and make it its own fully fledged job with its own unique kit like how the HW and SB jobs work, retool and restructure their old Arcanist abilities into something specific to them.

Bring the Dia and Banish line of spells back maybe or something to replace the acn dots and such, create 3-4 tiers of broil so they have one to use in early levels.

I mean in terms of how the Scholar storyline starts its already a lot more separated compared to Arcanist flowing more naturally into the Summoner story-line.

I can't imagine them retooling it would be that arduous. Its unfortunately just money they probably don't want to spend if they can avoid it.

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Originally Posted by NaesakiAshwell

What they need to do is divorce Scholar completely

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At this point I don't see any reason to separate SMN and SCH, especially when they abolished bonus attributes and that SMN's new damage spells are job-based rather than class-based, so they could buff those without worrying about SCH being buffed too.

and, if you are going to remove the filler spell smn used before for aoes, then at least buff tri disaster to be decent if you dont want to give smns a new spell D: we all know that bind for all casters is basically useless... specially with the pvp changes... also if you give sch miasma 2 back just give smns too D:

oh better yet, make an aoe bind an role skill and give new effects for freeze, tribind and that one for red...

dont really care for potencies that much, smns do less damage than reds for a lot less work but, thats easily fixable so they do similar damage, but the way it is working right now is too clunky.

also, smns are only asking for a proper healing physic now because of reds and the removal of sustain, if they dont want to give sustain back just give us a proper heal to use, smns can already raise why not just give a weak heal to them? they would have to hard cast each one either way, so reds still would have the superior heal support for a caster.

and before someone say something stupid like its not part of the job or the lore or whatever, smns throughout the series had healing and buffing summons, some summoners had white magic, since they are still stuck to schs via arcanists, they should be use physic to at least some decent proficiency, this all could be avoided if they gave titan egi some life steal when they removed sustain

before we were given the excuse that smns couldnt summon primals in a more full form, but here we have demi bahamut, so lore impending the role to get something as simple as a healing spell and an aoe filler is invalid

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Originally Posted by dinnertime

At this point I don't see any reason to separate SMN and SCH, especially when they abolished bonus attributes and that SMN's new damage spells are job-based rather than class-based, so they could buff those without worrying about SCH being buffed too.

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Its more when you have spells like Physick still lingering on Summoner when it is effectively a useless spell to them as it currently stands since it still scales off MND, so its effectively just pointless button bloat.

Unless they actually decide to change it to INT scaling when a summoner uses it. Because we know they can do this since you only have to look at the ACN dots on SCH scaling off MND.

Yet they removed Sustain for such lacklustre reasoning, they genuinely seem completely out of touch with the Summoner player-base and the job itself.

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Originally Posted by Silkerin

and before someone say something stupid like its not part of the job or the lore or whatever, smns throughout the series had healing and buffing summons, some summoners had white magic, since they are still stuck to schs via arcanists, they should be use physic to at least some decent proficiency, this all could be avoided if they gave titan egi some life steal when they removed sustain

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Other way around: they were White Mages that had access to summoning abilities. By that logic, we should give WHM summoning spells.

Really SMN doesn't need a healing spell like the RDM Vercure, but rather give them a healing spell that would adequately work for their pet. One option would be to replace Tri-bind for Sustain (or at least a spell people actually use). Another would be a passive trait for SMN that would vastly increase the healing potency of Physick on their pet. One more would be trait that heals the pet for a portion of the damage dealt by the SMN.

The problem isn't having a heal as good as RDM. The problem is having a heal for a pet that will die no matter how much damage to them is reduced.

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Originally Posted by NaesakiAshwell

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Physick is pretty much useless on a SMN so there's no good reason to put it in your hotbar so I wouldn't call it button bloat. They could make it INT-based which is possible like you said, but Sustain was more effective for healing your pet. It's really dumb that they removed it from the game though.

I don't think SMN really needs an effective healing spell like Physick though. It's nice but now RDM has that ability and I feel like Yoshi is pretty adamant that he doesn't want it on the other casters. (Although I wish SMN had better buffs)

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Originally Posted by TaranTatsuuchi

Well, that can't work because in solo play, you can't have the tank pet be invulnerable...

And with no way to heal it...
We're left with our current problem.

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If a summoner doesn't deserve to have ability to heal there pets then they need to do away with all jobs other than healers healing ability's to make it fair to summoners.

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Originally Posted by dinnertime

Physick is pretty much useless on a SMN so there's no good reason to put it in your hotbar so I wouldn't call it button bloat.It's really dumb that they removed it from the game though.

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The point is that Summoner's are stuck with a useless ability we will never use. For all the people who complain about it not being lore friendly... Physic is already on Summoner. We already have a healing spell. The only problem with it is that it's too weak. Much like the rest of summoner currently.

We lost Sustain, a useful heal on our pet, and kept a worthless heal. It's still button bloat. Physic has about as much use as Tri-Bind. Literally no point in summoner having either of these spells ever. Yet.. We lost skills like Spur that were used as often as possible, and Sustain that were as often as needed, and retained the two spells nobody used ever.

fair enough about the whm smn thing, but, the other points are still valid, also as of now, sustain would be less useful for most part, if we need titan egi to tank something then a bit later here comes bahamut and bye bye titan, making titan egi even more worthless, as of now we cant really use titan egi for nothing, so, might as well either get rid of titan egi and get a new spell, get some new skill sets for titan and forego him as the tank egi *maybe an aoe focused pet to alleviate the clunkyness of smn aoe*, or make bahamut exist at the same time as the other pets

or how about, something like osmosis as a new spell/buff, that when you use it, your dots ticks gives you part of the damage as hp for you and your pet?

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Originally Posted by Ariomi

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Yeah, I do question why they removed skills that are useful and often used while leaving behind useless skills like that damned Tri-Bind. Honestly, I keep forgetting Tri-Bind even exists...

I wish they buff Tri-Bind though, make it worth useable for AoE or replace it. What is SE even thinking when they thought it was okay to keep it? Seriously.

Still, I just ignore those skills honestly.