Tanks, please use strength gear.. :(

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Originally Posted by Yorumi

But more hp doesn't stop the babysitting. If you're babysitting the tank, the problem isn't that the tank is missing 10% hp. If a tank is taking 5k damage every gcd, more hp isn't going to help him. I'm not saying every tanks needs to immediately drop all vit(i honestly hate that dps is what tanks are stacking) but a few more hp doesn't suddenly make a tank take less damage.

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Look at percentages. If a tank is taking 15-30% damage with each auto attack with a max of 10k health. You add acc with vit and that percentage of health lost shrinks. That means more time I can be in cleric stance as there is more wiggle room as cleric stance does have a cd before I can get out of it. If they are dying before it goes off cd Houston we have a problem.

Had a Pld in full 190 gear with 12k health in fractal. Guess what he was stacking and NOT stacking.

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Originally Posted by Yorumi

but a few more hp doesn't suddenly make a tank take less damage.

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It doesn't, and that's not the point. VIT provides "padding" that gives healers more GCDs to use for things other than healing the tank, whether those things are adding DPS, healing damage to DPS, avoiding mechanics, using utility (in the case of AST cards) and so on. It also provides padding in the case of high incoming damage, allowing the tank to receive a heal before death that he might not otherwise have received.

Would you rather survive a tank buster with 500 HP or 2500 HP? The obvious answer is 2500 HP and VIT contributes to allowing you to do so. It is not the *only* thing that contributes, but it *does* contribute.

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Originally Posted by SpookyGhost

Don't, it's really bad.

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Just cause it's amusing to look at. :P

Some very extreme examples here and outliers. The tank should never be at 30% health if the healer is doing their job. All of the damage in this game can be accounted for before it's ever taken. You shouldn't be waiting for the hit and then starting the cast. Unless you are experiencing huge fluctuations in pull sizes, the rate of incoming damage is relatively the same every single time. The biggest incoming damage rate decreases come from cool downs which EVERY tank should be using and rotating thru unless they are being saved for a specific instance. Vit accessories have zero net effect on this what so ever because if you get to the point where you "NEED" the extra hp then you've already made an error. The savage meta is around 16k and out of savage everything can be tanked comfortably with 14k ish hp and with the gear upgrades lately you should be able to hit the latter with 190/200 left side alone.

That being said good healers, like tanks, are the exception rather than the rule. I personally run with pentamelds but different situations necessitate different setups. There is no situation that necessitates a full vit build. But i will concede that the chances of getting a garbage healer/tank in df is substantially high and during leveling (at level) a 2/3 vit/str or str/vit setup can be beneficial in some cases while leveling especially if you are still learning the class.

If healers want to DPS so bad, they should role DPS. I mean, that is the argument for tanks who want to optimize their DPS, right?

If, as a healer, one is babysitting a STR-accessory tank, then that tank has other, more important problems to deal with...like learning how to play correctly. That doesn't magically change with more VIT.

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Originally Posted by Pooky_Pasha

If healers want to DPS so bad, they should role DPS. I mean, that is the argument for tanks who want to optimize their DPS, right?

If, as a healer, one is babysitting a STR-accessory tank, then that tank has other, more important problems to deal with...like learning how to play correctly. That doesn't magically change with more VIT.

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I would much rather have a full str tank then a full vit tank. They are much easier to heal.

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Originally Posted by Alahra

It doesn't, and that's not the point. VIT provides "padding" that gives healers more GCDs to use for things other than healing the tank, whether those things are adding DPS, healing damage to DPS, avoiding mechanics, using utility (in the case of AST cards) and so on. It also provides padding in the case of high incoming damage, allowing the tank to receive a heal before death that he might not otherwise have received.

Would you rather survive a tank buster with 500 HP or 2500 HP? The obvious answer is 2500 HP and VIT contributes to allowing you to do so. It is not the *only* thing that contributes, but it *does* contribute.

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I don't want Padding or "Training Wheels" I want a tank who doesn't lose aggro to me or the dps and actually contributes more to the fight then a damage sponge.

There is no tank buster in the game that can one shot you right now.

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Originally Posted by Zaresin

Look at percentages. If a tank is taking 15-30% damage with each auto attack with a max of 10k health. You add acc with vit and that percentage of health lost shrinks. That means more time I can be in cleric stance as there is more wiggle room as cleric stance does have a cd before I can get out of it. If they are dying before it goes off cd Houston we have a problem.

Had a Pld in full 190 gear with 12k health in fractal. Guess what he was stacking and NOT stacking.

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So that extra 3-4k hp is going to make him suddenly survive 30% damage each autoattack? That is pretty much 2.5 extra seconds, not enough time to do that sorry.

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Originally Posted by Nektulos-Tuor

I would much rather have a full str tank then a full vit tank. They are much easier to heal.

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Considering I have read every post in this silly thread, I know this.

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Originally Posted by Nektulos-Tuor

I would much rather have a full str tank then a full vit tank. They are much easier to heal.



I don't want Padding or "Training Wheels" I want a tank who doesn't lose aggro to me or the dps and actually contributes more to the fight then a damage sponge.

There is no tank buster in the game that can one shot you right now.



So that extra 3-4k hp is going to make him suddenly survive 30% damage each autoattack? That is pretty much 2.5 extra seconds, not enough time to do that sorry.

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What were the cast speeds on heals again? Oh 2.5.

Hey Nektulos go troll in another game pls ^^

Haha, have to admit I hear nothing but horrible experiences from my healers friends when they have to party with full str acc tanks. Often times they say their hp just goes down to fast to give them breathing room or to contribute to aoe/dps themselves since they have to stay in "babysit mode" (especially since these tanks also run around in dps mode as well).

Personally tank with a mix of 2-3 each of either vit or str, and still working on getting my eso set to figure out the right amount of either I need to keep things going smoothest myself. Do see myself slowly transitioning to incorporating more str though as I progress gear wise.