What's the point with that quite lackluster story in Endwalker?

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Originally Posted by Zanarkand-Ronso

....You had this much to say about a "This is Bait" Picture?
You took a Joke This Seriously?

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I was actually adding onto the discussion of the entire topic, I'm sure you knew that.
Only like the first two sentences were directed at her. Nice try.

You guys get extremely hostile when someone says one thing they don't like about this game and it's annoying.
What's the point of the forum if the first thing people are gonna is call you a troll for it? I'm not sure what's worse this or Reddit.
You can barely discuss on here without getting sent to the stake LOL.

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Originally Posted by Rulakir

The official forums is one of the few places I've seen others say they feel safe posting critical feedback and even here I see people are trying to shut down conversation. I've been PMed on Reddit by people telling me they didn't like EW and can't express themselves because they'll be downvoted into oblivion if they do. One person told me you'll get dog piled on if you say anything negative in the official discord. Frankly, if you don't want to read opinions about EW that aren't positive you have a lot of options. Let people who didn't like it discuss it.

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This person has it right.

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Originally Posted by Jandor

He knows about Meteion when he says that.

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Great comeback!
Yeah and he and the people he refers to are all dead long before they knew about her. :confused:
Hard to do better when you're dead.

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Originally Posted by HollowedDoll

Great comeback!
Yeah and he and the people he refers to are all dead long before they knew about her. :confused:
Hard to do better when you're dead.

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Wait, you think when Emet says their methods would not have brought mankind this far, he means because they were already dead?

That's a fairly unique take.

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Originally Posted by Jandor

Wait, you think when Emet says their methods would not have brought mankind this far, he means because they were already dead?

That's certainly different.

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It's because they literally did not know of the threat's origin whatsoever, so like how could they have done better?

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Originally Posted by HollowedDoll

It's because they literally did not know of the threat's origin whatsoever, so like how could they have done better?

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He knows of the threats origin when he says that though, the threats origin is stood right in front of him, he was literally just talking to the threats origin before he says it.

At that point, he knows what they were facing, and he knows what they could have done, and his assessment of their chances is not good.

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Originally Posted by Jandor

He knows of the threats origin when he says that though, the threats origin is stood right in front of him, he was literally just talking to the threats origin before he says it.

At that point, he knows what they were facing, and he knows what they could have done, and his assessment of their chances is not good.

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Who cares that he knows at this point, they're literally all dead. They couldn't do better because they weren't even given the chance. Literally only Venat and the time-travelling WoL knew about Meteion, ergo there was no opportunity at all to do anything about it at any point while they were alive.

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Originally Posted by HollowedDoll

Who cares that he knows at this point, they're literally all dead. They couldn't do better because they weren't even given the chance. Literally only Venat and the time-travelling WoL knew about Meteion, ergo there was no opportunity at all to do anything about it at any point while they were alive.

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He's saying they wouldn't have succeeded even if they'd have had the opportunity to do something about it.

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Originally Posted by Jandor

He's saying they wouldn't have succeeded even if they'd have had the opportunity to do something about it.

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Hermes literally memwipes them to prevent them from chasing down and destroying Metion. There's no reason to believe they couldn't/wouldn't given knowledge of what happened. (Or at the very least prepare defense)

In fact, that act is evidence that they would, imo.

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Originally Posted by Araxes

Yeah i kinda couldnt believe that this is the cause of all our Troubles. Who would ever think it a good idea to send a child like entity with all those powers the ancients barely understand themselves into the Galaxy. It is no shock that a Child like Being would go totally mad at the sight of whats going on in the universe but somehow Hermes thought it a good idea. This in turn makes me question the sanity of the ancients in the first place.

EW was okay, but is no match for Shadowbringers. The Devs just managed to get a lot of emotional bits into the story so a lot of people claim it to be good for the lack of being able to see things in a neutral or analytic way.

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To add insult to injury Hermes is the head of testing facility that determines if their creations are suitable to be release into their world

A project with no peer reviews,
Have little knowledge in that field,
Not to mention Hermes have not equipped/trained meterion for the mission
The whole Elpis/Hermes plot is one of the biggest let down in EW for me

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Originally Posted by Jybril

Not every single person is gonna like the games story. Stop thinking every single opinion is a troll/bait post.
I don't like EW story almost at all.
I stopped caring with Zodiark at being level 83, so I highly agree with OP.
I don't like how we were neck and neck with Garlemeld for years, only to be patched up within 2 hours of gameplay.

This game in EW suffers pacing issues, bad. Just like it did in SB. Instead of chumming everything into ONE SINGLE PATCH.
It shoulda been spread out until the VERY end. The Moon was massive disappointment. I love the bunnies as much as the next
person but it's just really odd, hanging with bunnies then turn around 3 seconds later and Zodiark who "isn't at his full powaaa"
is a boss. Inb4 they bring him back at 100% and we fight him at the end. I just hate this all wrapped up in one patch then let's
do some rando side stuff at the end. If they stopped rushing the story, it'll be tailored better.
I don't care about Herme's and his tiny goth birb waifu who turned evil because reasons.
Besides Zodiark, Garlemeld was the biggest disappointment, really wish they did more with it but alas.

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The bold stuff I agree with. The italicized I think you are remembering the events in the incorrect order. I would have preferred to hang out with the bunnies and then fight zodiark. The way the game worked we defeated zodiark and initiated the final days. Then We were stuck learning about bunnys and the plan to get everyone off the planet, but that whole time I kept thinking I wanna see the final days lets go.

Personally I like Garlemalds plot, I think it was my favorite part of EW because the plot was so dark there. The zone itself was very bland and empty which fits the narrative of the plot as it gave it a eerie feel. Although it fits a narrative though the zone could have had more going on with it.

Over all the story has good points and bad points and does suffer from a pacing problem. I almost feel that the story was changed midway through development or through the writing. When you see the trailer vs the product they don't look at that similar. Where garlemald has this large scale war and void monsters flying around attacking airships, but we enter the game to the aftermath of that.
Thavnair feels like it was there just for an area to kill characters off that would not cause any controversy with the player base like what happened when Nanamo was killed off. It felt really off that we had an expansion that was about the apocalypse and we really did not see much apocalypse and all the characters that were previously relevant in the plot all survived. The prepatch to Stormblood an expansion based around war killed off a scion so I find it just odd.
Anima feels like it was used as fan service bait skin, as the story behind anima really fit with what anima was specially when you compare it to the magus sisters.

These are all just my opinions though.