Can we please delay Savage?

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Originally Posted by Valorak

However, these are really first-world problems that people should be mature enough to solve on their own.

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Everything here is a first world problem. This forum is for a game. Nice try at trying to diminish the issue.

Players are unable to find a solution that allows them to experience the story as it is intended to be without interfering with being a competitive raider. They can only do one or the other. Now please do enlighten me as to how players are supposed to solve this issue without intervention from SE.

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Originally Posted by Valorak

But many people in this thread are also completely discounting the notion that this would have any negative effects on other players and have been totally callous towards their concerns.

It's as if you not only want to have it both ways; but you also want to avoid feeling guilty that you messed with someone else's fun.

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Yes I'm sure delaying savage is going to cause some trauma especially considering it already gets delayed at expansion launches and no one really seems to mind even if they lvl up and gear up fast enough to do it sooner.

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Originally Posted by Valorak

Frankly, it's ridiculous. This whole thread has been a disaster since like page two.

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If you want to see ridiculous I suggest you go to that trainwreck thread about hiding other people's glams because some people can't deal with the fact that a frog suit exists and bikini glams ruin their day.

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Originally Posted by Penthea

Everything here is a first world problem. This forum is for a game. Nice try at trying to diminish the issue.

Players are unable to find a solution that allows them to experience the story as it is intended to be without interfering with being a competitive raider. They can only do one or the other. Now please do enlighten me as to how players are supposed to solve this issue without intervention from SE.



Yes I'm sure delaying savage is going to cause some trauma especially considering it already gets delayed at expansion launches and no one really seems to mind even if they lvl up and gear up fast enough to do it sooner.



If you want to see ridiculous I suggest you go to that trainwreck thread about hiding other people's glams because some people can't deal with the fact that a frog suit exists and bikini glams ruin their day.

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Depending on ones perspective couldn't the same be said about us that are asking for a delay of savage, that we want a delay because we cannot deal with the fact that we have to rush through the story because of various reasons?

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Originally Posted by Awha

Depending on ones perspective couldn't the same be said about us that are asking for a delay of savage, that we want a delay because we cannot deal with the fact that we have to rush through the story because of various reasons?

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This can't really be compared over being upset over the glam someone else is wearing. It's a completely different situation. It has literally nothing to do with being a competitive player needing to sacrifice experiencing the story at a normal pace in order to get into savage just as quickly as other players.

I merely wanted to point that other player to what an actual ridiculous thread can look like. Conversation here is far more constructive by comparison.

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Originally Posted by Penthea

This can't really be compared over being upset over the glam someone else is wearing. It's a completely different situation. It has literally nothing to do with being a competitive player needing to sacrifice experiencing the story at a normal pace in order to get into savage just as quickly as other players.

I merely wanted to point that other player to what an actual ridiculous thread can look like. Conversation here is far more constructive by comparison.

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That is why I said depends on ones perspective, since at the core the delay is about having to make a sacrifice a certain experience for another one, just as those with the glam feel they have to sacrifice a certain experience for another. At the core they do seem fairly similar, which is a not a bad thing since I am for both since more optoons to allow players to enhance their expereince with the game is a win for me.

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Originally Posted by Awha

That is why I said depends on ones perspective, since at the core the delay is about having to make a sacrifice a certain experience for another one, just as those with the glam feel they have to sacrifice a certain experience for another. At the core they do seem fairly similar, which is a not a bad thing since I am for both since more optoons to allow players to enhance their expereince with the game is a win for me.

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Someone else's glam does not put you in a situation where you're being competitive and need to rush things.

I'm regretting mentioning that thread now.

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Man waiting an additional week after a six month cycle between Savage tiers. However would you cope?

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Delays are delays. They asked for a "valid reason" that it harms the game; slower content IMO is a valid reason.

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especially considering it already gets delayed at expansion launches and no one really seems to mind

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Uh, the general consensus is that the .0 - .05 patches are the absolute worst in terms of things to do, and that .05-.1 is only slightly better.

People already generally hate the idea of delaying the 1/3 of savage tiers, yes.

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competitive raiders must sacrifice their enjoyment in other parts of the game in order to sustain their activities

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EVERYONE has to do this at different times, its a nonsense argument. You cant play on Crystal and expect to find a group that raids on Hawaii time. You cant be a crafter and make day 1 patch money and simultaneously raid world firsts (which you sure as hell can do in other games) without having external sources of mats. You cant simultaneously be a PvP'er and enjoy the PvP system.

If you arent doing the content minute 1 in a race to world first, it has zero impact on you except you potentially have to log on 10 minutes earlier or extend your day 1 raiding 10 minutes.

Theres still no argument on the table that justifies delaying content for the majority of players so a small fraction of a small fraction of a few players can feel like they arent rushed watching 10 minutes of cutscenes right away when their goal is doing something completely different.

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Originally Posted by Fynlar

Delays are delays. They asked for a "valid reason" that it harms the game; slower content IMO is a valid reason.

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It wouldn't harm the game in the slightest. They already delay the first savage raids for 2 weeks for the exact specific reason that people can enjoy the story. There is literally no single good reason to not delay them for a week. I'm sure it will be implemented this way in the next savage patch, seeing as Yodhi P is already considering it as it is. And I'm sure the SE devs that spend thousands of hours curating the cut scenes and story of the raid will be pleased that half the player base is not skipping them.

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Originally Posted by Barraind

Uh, the general consensus is that the .0 - .05 patches are the absolute worst in terms of things to do, and that .05-.1 is only slightly better.

People already generally hate the idea of delaying the 1/3 of savage tiers, yes.

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That's not about delaying savage. That's some people not enjoying the specific content that comes out.

Honestly I think there would be war if those patches brought in more savage content. Many very good teams wouldn't be finished savage at that point, and certainly ultimate savage takes a hell of a lot longer than actual savage. By releasing tiers too soon SE would be making their own content prematurely out of date. Nevermind how it would increase their workload to release savage content more frequently.

Also lets not compare several weeks or months without new savage content to a handful of days, which is what OP is asking for. You're blowing this out of proportion by bringing in very very long periods of time into the argument.

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Originally Posted by Penthea

Someone else's glam does not put you in a situation where you're being competitive and need to rush things.

I'm regretting mentioning that thread now.

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Meh. not trying to derail all I am saying is them competitive aspect or the need to rush are simply situations, it all depeds on the perspective of the person if they hold those situations of value that is all I am trying to say, that at the core each suggestion boils down to sacrifice a certain experience for another. What that sacifice is simply depends on the perspective and values held by the person. Sorry if I did not explain it properly. It is not my place to say what someone should value and how they should value it, no one is wrong in how they feel regarding the delay, just comes down to the fact that each side holds different things of value when it comes to the topic.