Dark Knight: 5.0x Feedback Thread

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Originally Posted by Reynhart

, you don't have to save MP to Dark Arts Abyssal Drain, and you also don't have to coordinate Delirium with Blood Weapon to make sure it gives the most MP/Blood that it can.

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Except when you did DA Abyssal spam you had blood price up for monster mp regen and used delirium for 50 blood to generate more mp from quiteus everything you hit with it plus TBN for 50 blood for yet another quiteus all while blood price added to blood aswell.

And if you're not using blood weapon now in your Internal Delirium window you're losing out on dps....

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Originally Posted by kazzel120

Except when you did DA Abyssal spam you had blood price up for monster mp regen and used delirium for 50 blood to generate more mp from quiteus everything you hit with it plus TBN for 50 blood for yet another quiteus all while blood price added to blood aswell.

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You realize that you mentionned a setup with that synergize 6 skills. Now, you just...pop whatever skill you have ready, with a slight delay to make sure you pop 5 GCD during your buffs.

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Originally Posted by kazzel120

And if you're not using blood weapon now in your Internal Delirium window you're losing out on dps....

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I don't see why. Blood Weapon gives you blood that you don't need during Delirium and you can spend MP anytime you want as long as you don't overcap, so gaining it two different windows doesn't change much, unless you line it with party buffs.

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Originally Posted by Reynhart

You realize that you mentionned a setup with that synergize 6 skills. Now, you just...pop whatever skill you have ready, with a slight delay to make sure you pop 5 GCD during your buffs.

I don't see why. Blood Weapon gives you blood that you don't need during Delirium and you can spend MP anytime you want as long as you don't overcap, so gaining it two different windows doesn't change much, unless you line it with party buffs.

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You're still having to sync up skills now my point was you said you had to watch mp gain for DA Abyssal spam when that just wasn't true when if you did it right you could spam all day with no mp issues.

Again 5 spillers with blood weapon up after living shadow during your Burst Phase aka Internal Delirium window give you an extra spiller after it wears off so no blood is wasted.

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Originally Posted by kazzel120

And if you're not using blood weapon now in your Internal Delirium window you're losing out on dps....

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irrelevant, delirium grant 1000 MP with 5 bloodspillers and blood weapon grants 3000 mp and 50 blood independently of what GCD you are using, mixing both windows doesn't grant you any real benefic.

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Originally Posted by kazzel120

You're still having to sync up skills now my point was you said you had to watch mp gain for DA Abyssal spam when that just wasn't true when if you did it right you could spam all day with no mp issues.

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I really wouldn't say "spam all day" considering Blood Price was heavily nerfed when quietus was introduced, it was far more powerful in HW.

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Originally Posted by kazzel120

Again 5 spillers with blood weapon up after living shadow during your Burst Phase aka Internal Delirium window give you an extra spiller after it wears off so no blood is wasted.

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Blood is never wasted unless you overcap, and buff window don't extend past Delirium so your 6th bloodspiller is just a normal bloodspiller. Especially if you're in a middle of a combo, so that the next GCD after Delirium is frequently not a Bloodspiller.

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Originally Posted by shao32

irrelevant, delirium grant 1000 MP with 5 bloodspillers and blood weapon grants 3000 mp and 50 blood independently of what GCD you are using, mixing both windows doesn't grant you any real benefic.

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Delaying windows is a detriment as it means losses over a fight.

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Originally Posted by Kabooa

Delaying windows is a detriment as it means losses over a fight.

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But this has nothing to do with any synergy between the two, so it's still irrelevant. And since they don't have the same CD, they will be desync half of the time.

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Originally Posted by Kabooa

Delaying windows is a detriment as it means losses over a fight.

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true but we are not talking about delaying anything, he say you need mix both windows to get a benefic he belive you get and we are saying is false, there is zero benefic in mixing blood weapon and delirium and even the openers of balance have both windows separated and you probably end missing a GCD or overcapping reources in the process if you try to do that.

There is zero internal synergy with drk burst window and abilities. The only reason to stack buffs and shove everything together is because of external buff windows from other jobs TA, brotherhood, etc. Unload everything you got during raid buff windows, which is good enough. But if you are solo or do not have any notavle raid buffs to center around there is no reason not to just use everything you have as soon as its available, weather its aligned with other drk skills or not.

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Originally Posted by shao32

true but we are not talking about delaying anything, he say you need mix both windows to get a benefic he belive you get and we are saying is false, there is zero benefic in mixing blood weapon and delirium and even the openers of balance have both windows separated and you probably end missing a GCD or overcapping reources in the process if you try to do that.

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And if you're not using blood weapon now in your Internal Delirium window you're losing out on dps....

This is exactly what i said. Copy and pasted not using blood weapon in any deliriumwindow when its up is a dps loss because your cooldowns are not counting down when you hold them for after another window.