It's not rush mentality if people are asking for these dungeons to become solo-instances (I am, at least). I fully agree the way things were in the past was bad. I HATED my original experience through it, and I'm grateful to my FC for having taken me through it the way they did. But what we have now is not a good solution either and I dread taking my lower level alts through the place.Quote:
Originally Posted by Eldevern
And yet how do you bring in the older players or Mentors? By providing them with awards. It's enough to see how after the cutscenes change, MSQ roulette awards have been upped several times - SE doesn't expect anyone to help out of the goodness of their hearts, and they will raise the incentive until people think it's worth their time.Quote:
Especially the mentor or the MSQ roulette have been designed to help new players
SE: Can we get back skip cutscene in Main Scenarios?
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12-02-2018, 05:53 PMBillyKaplan
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12-02-2018, 06:17 PMFynlarQuote:
a game that is supposed to be a leisure, not a competition.
[citation needed]
It's not quite fully honest to say that this game is meant to be leisurely approached, to be frank. If you took stuff at a "leisurely" pace, you'd never obtain new/updated gear before it was already out of date and useless for anything except glamour, EX primals and raids would be more or less dead (or if not dead, the overall experience would probably be greatly altered due to being made trivial from later patches' gear and greater player knowledge about the fights) before you even got to try them, etc. -
12-02-2018, 06:52 PMEldevernWe can gear pretty fast. The only "hard stuff' is sadic/extreme. I'm in this game since the 2.0 bêta then I'm pretty aware of how it works and ...NO, 24 raid gear is not "that hard" to get (appart of RNG and weekly limit, but it is not "hard" it "takes time").Quote:
Originally Posted by Fynlar
But... I have kind of a doubt, is Mentor or MSQ roulette required for the HL raid stuff? Let me check... Hum... NO.
The real stuff is sadic/extrem and you ANYWAY get your tomes doing 8/24 raids/extreme trials to get the weapon and the stuff for sadic raid. Tomes are just a shortcut for middlecore players.
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06-16-2019, 01:24 PMSparks88SOOOO
Apparently you can skip these again. I was in one where these four were skipping the whole thing. No one was new. i mean heck i'd love to skip these again. Anyone know how we would do this? They were pulling and starting boss fights while we were in cutscenes
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06-16-2019, 01:25 PMJWag12787Quote:
Originally Posted by Sparks88
Through abuse / hacks in the system. Don't do it. That's bad.
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06-16-2019, 02:08 PMNicodemus_MercyConsider this... if enough people opt out of doing the main scenario roulette to the point where it noticeably impacts new players trying to progress through the MSQ, then SE might just be inclined to do what they should have already done and do away with the main scenario roulette altogether and make the Main Scenario stuff a solo thing. At the very least maybe they will take some of the tech from the new Trust system for it and have a bunch of NPC's join solo players if reworking it to be a purely solo experience isn't feasible.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dualgunner
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06-16-2019, 02:19 PMEnlaIt's one of the few things you can be reported for that SE takes SUPER seriously. So honestly it's best you don't know because ven if no one is new, all it takes is enough people alerting the GM's to get you in trouble. And not just slap on the wrist levels of trouble either.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sparks88
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06-16-2019, 02:23 PMElciaDeiLinus
I just started playing the game (I played a few weeks when it came out but didn't get far) with the recent free weekend, and most of what has kept me interested, so interested I preordered Shadowbringers, is the game's story.
It'd have been quite frankly a massive turn off if after all that running around, I'd have had to completely miss the conclusion of the first major story arc due to cutscene skipping. So I'm pretty happy they did it this way. Even now, as I do these for tomestones/xp, I stand by that. These were far too good to go through the boss fights and then have to look at the story later on, and there's other ways to be rewarded if you dislike sitting through those CS.
And think about it- why are you even doing this? For the tomes/xp- but this content is extremely easy even compared to trial/50-60 dungeon/alliance raid finder. If they did take out the cutscenes, this would be both easy and very fast- why would they keep the rewards? It'd likely be reduced to a much smaller xp reward, and potentially no tomestones. The rewards we get now are clearly to entice people to do this, since otherwise queues would be brutal, CS or no (I've been queuing for Binding Coil to try to see that story... 2-3 hour queues that never pop each night- so yeah, glad that the required storyline to continue in the game has people doing it).
I'd suggest getting something else to do while you run Praet, or, if it's truly not worth it, don't do it.
I think though the best idea would be a 'group skip'- if everyone tries to skip a cutscene, it skips. That way at least if absolutely nobody wants to see the CS, they won't have to.
Just keep in mind- there's a lot of new players coming to this game or returning, like myself, due to the constant content droughts in other 'top' mmos like ESO/WoW. New players are good for games, and apart from people that simply don't care about the story at all- I can't see how anyone would be remotely fine with having to skip ARR's initial story conclusion. It's clearly an ill made choice to put that much story into a group dungeon- but from what I've seen, they learned from it. Might it be nice to have it reworked, say to have it so new players might be advised to use a 'trust' group to do those two MSQ so they can do it at their own pace? I think that'd be great... but of course, if it did become a solo thing, it probably wouldn't need to be on the duty finder, and certainly not with such lucrative rewards. -
06-16-2019, 02:51 PMIscahWelcome to the game!Quote:
Originally Posted by ElciaDeiLinus
People don't queue directly for the Binding Coil much because they're particularly difficult and require a lot of team co-ordination. Try starting a party finder group, and do it unsynched. Be clear that you're watching the cutscenes though, as (like the ARR finale) there are several long story cutscenes both within the raids and between the three sets of raids. -
06-16-2019, 03:50 PMKaethraThis is really the best solution thusfar.Quote:
Originally Posted by ElciaDeiLinus
The issue with the MSQ roulette though is the fact that the fights themselves are either skipped or pulled enmasse. Every new player that I see go in there dies at least 2-3 times. And then are left behind to run to catch up, some don't even catch up before the dungeon is done. Thus defeating the purpose of restricting cutscene skipping. And this problem is caused by the fact the item level sync is tuned way too high. If this was changed to something in the ballpark of 50-60, then we wouldn't see these mass pulls. The fights would be no harder than Auram Vale or Dzemael Darkhold.
When these dungeons were current, our item level was 45-50. We were in our job AF gear and Grand Company weapon. The dungeons were challenging, but nothing too hard for the majority of us. New players coming to FFXIV are better prepared and can handle that content (I mean they'll see Nidhogg and Shinryu after anyway). And unable to actually skip through droves of NPCs, we'll be able to slow it down so that these players won't be left behind, in fact we'll want them to be with us for the extra damage, healing, or tanking they'll be doing.
The duty still requires 2 tanks. Lets make use of them again.