Please Allow 50's to Enter Ishgard w/o having completed MSQ

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Originally Posted by Tuathaa

I have a better grasp than you apparently. You can level a doh or dol 1-50 get geared and aquire a relic weapon with out doing any of the msq past level 10. They incorporated that system now they are telling players to level a Dom or dow or bugger off.

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This is mostly true but not entirely. Unlocking beasttribes and the (for a crafter) very valuable Ixali faction requires level 41~+ (of a combat class) and unlocking the MSQ up to a certain point. So they already started with ''DoM/DoQ or bugger off'' before heavensward and its requirements.

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Originally Posted by Aeyis

My apologies if you took that as some kind of personal insult. That was merely my advice from having made several dozens of characters and a large time of mmo experience in many games. Noone starts with a good knowledge of a games market off the bat. Having access to the auction house at level 1 wont help you.

You act as tho it takes huge effort to unlock when all it requires is to level to 18, why the huge hyperbole?

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As the people before me said, people enjoy different play style in MMOs. You mentioning having dozens of characters and a large time of mmo experience, should know that. Some people enjoy playing the market, some enjoy combat, some enjoy just BSing around in taverns. There is something off if the design of an MMO is to force everyone to bottleneck the same thing.

level 18 is 17 levels too many for people who just want to play the market. I know, because I am one of those people. After launch, I was hurrying til I got my retainer, then I sat there for weeks to play what I could. I got my FC a Medium housing on Shiva immediately after housing was implemented, it was my enjoyment to do so. What I didn't enjoy was having to go through the story for that.

Let's get back to the whole. Options thing. more options = better. Less = bad. It's the very basic design of MMOs

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Example: Would you rather have more classes or just the launch ones? Basically the same with playstyle. Give people who doesn't want to do the MSQ the chance to go to ishgard at 50, they can grind fates or whatever without doing the MSQ. Those who care for the story? Well go ahead it's not like you will be force to not do them.

I feel it was a little harsh to say that people that are master craftsmen wouldn't have a reason to go to Ishgard either. You're the equivalent of the WoL in making... I don't know... jello. Surely a culinarian of your standard would please the Ishgardian peoples.

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Originally Posted by Catwho

Actually, you can't. The game requires you to be DoW or DoM for the vast majority of non crafting and non gathering quests. Trust me, I tried.

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Trust me, you did something wrong. Have you tried it with the right level?


Accepted a MSQ as a Leatherworker

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Killed the quest enemies with Archer (because battle part). Class changes not required in quests with no battle parts.
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Finished the quest as a Leatherworker again
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Earned quest exp for Leatherworker
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Originally Posted by Felis

Trust me, you did something wrong. Have you tried it with the right level?


Accepted a MSQ as a Leatherworker

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Killed the quest enemies with Archer (because battle part). Class changes not required in quests with no battle parts.
http://oi58.tinypic.com/288vxnd.jpg

Finished the quest as a Leatherworker again
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Earned quest exp for Leatherworker
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But you have to have a DoW, by your own admission, to do that...

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Originally Posted by Kelzack

As the people before me said, people enjoy different play style in MMOs. You mentioning having dozens of characters and a large time of mmo experience, should know that. Some people enjoy playing the market, some enjoy combat, some enjoy just BSing around in taverns. There is something off if the design of an MMO is to force everyone to bottleneck the same thing.

level 18 is 17 levels too many for people who just want to play the market. I know, because I am one of those people. After launch, I was hurrying til I got my retainer, then I sat there for weeks to play what I could. I got my FC a Medium housing on Shiva immediately after housing was implemented, it was my enjoyment to do so. What I didn't enjoy was having to go through the story for that.

Let's get back to the whole. Options thing. more options = better. Less = bad. It's the very basic design of MMOs

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You may have to compromise your gameplay to the game itself. That's true of all games. Even in MMOs, which appeal to multiple demographics, you can't completely isolate the experiences. Honestly I'm amazed at how much of the game you can already play as a crafter. They give people so many options in this game already. More options is generally good (generally), but it can't keep expanding forever. You have to eventually draw a line in the sand for the game's direction; in this case it's the msq. Msq is the thing that binds all of the ffxiv players together under a united gameplay goal. Whether your a hardcore raider, a casual raider, a casual nonraider, a hardcore crafter, a casual crafter, or anything else, we all have one common goal; one thing that identifies us all as playing the same game instead of a conglomerate of slightly relevant minigames.

Personally I think that's fine. It's not an absurd amount of effort, and it's literally the only thing everyone has to do. It's kind of the main thing of the game. If you really don't like it so much that it might keep you from playing, then this may honestly not be the game for you. You're essentially saying you don't enjoy the main part of the game... Other games have more crafting-oriented experiences where combat is a side-feature if that's more your speed.

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Originally Posted by Kauthryn

I feel it was a little harsh to say that people that are master craftsmen wouldn't have a reason to go to Ishgard either. You're the equivalent of the WoL in making... I don't know... jello. Surely a culinarian of your standard would please the Ishgardian peoples.

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That is true, even the Sultana was pleased with my cuisine.

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Originally Posted by Felis

Trust me, you did something wrong. Have you tried it with the right level?

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You already have a battle class at 50. Without one at the required level you are unable to accept such quests. I've tried that in the past, it didnt work. (weaver was my first class to reach 50)

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Originally Posted by Tuathaa

I have a better grasp than you apparently. You can level a doh or dol 1-50 get geared and aquire a relic weapon with out doing any of the msq past level 10. They incorporated that system now they are telling players to level a Dom or dow or bugger off.

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Might want to relook at your claim there, buster. First you say you can get a relic without doing the main story, yet you still have to level a battle class to get that far anyway while also complaining about Square "forcing" people to level up a battle class. Second, you can't do the relic quests without unlocking the hard mode versions of Ifrit, Garuda, and Titan, which also require you to fight their story mode versions and that also means leveling up a battle class to even fight them.

Me thinks you don't have a good grasp on this game as you claim to have.

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Originally Posted by Tuathaa

I have a better grasp than you apparently. You can level a doh or dol 1-50 get geared and aquire a relic weapon with out doing any of the msq past level 10. They incorporated that system now they are telling players to level a Dom or dow or bugger off.

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LOL, ok sure you do. Keep telling yourself that. You're posting nonsense about quests giving no xp, when it's been explicitly stated (and publicly by the devs no less) that they are actually vastly nerfing quests in ARR to help new players catch up.

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Originally Posted by Malevicton

You may have to compromise your gameplay to the game itself...

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It feels rather disingenuous to equate the expansion of an extant field of play (crafting) with pushing boundaries all that far. Crafting is a cornerstone of all MMOs and accommodating that playstyle can only be better for the longevity of the game. I know someone that played World of Warcraft only to level pets to max level -- she found it rewarding, so why not?

Quite unlike Kelzack, I advocate for total independence to level. Let people get exp from chocobo racing if they want! The more people playing and the more having fun is the more money for SE. A lucrative game will not be shut down.