Gender locked race?

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Originally Posted by cicatriz313

I mean, the concept art men looked pretty fierce and big too, though. Not sure what you're wanting, from the start of your post it sounds like you wanted softer men instead of the usual. Unless you mean you wanted the little boy viera concept art. Which nah no thanks, already playing a lala lol.

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I think they meant that they prefer both genders to be somewhat similar characteristic in appearance. Either both are fierce looking or both are cute looking. If the female viera (both subraces) stay as they are in the trailer (sexy cute bunny girls), then make the male more fierce and rough, vastly different than the female, it'd be just repeating the old trope of cute female/rough male like the Au Ra.

I imagine they made the destiny's child of Viera for that trailer only. We already have Fran as a model of less "sexy" more "fierce" Viera, so I hope we can make ours look similar to Fran.

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Originally Posted by CoolDad

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Oh, gods, that was my first MMO and it always irked me how every other race had the choice between male and female and whatever class they wanted (granted, there were only two jobs per race), yet the beastmen were: hulking furry with animal head or cute girly girl with large boobs and animal ears/tail, and only men could be tanks while women were the beastmaster caster class... Gah, don't mean to rant, it's just highly annoying <.<

That said, I wouldn't be opposed to male viera being larger or more muscular than the females, nor being shorter and slender. While I have my preferences to how I'd like mine to look, I'd still play them anyway.

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Originally Posted by Theodric

It would actually make a lot of sense for the men to be more intimidating than the women, though. They live in solitude and are described as being far more territorial than their female counterparts. They've also - as of yet - been spotted leaving the forest and entering cities. Which suggests to me that they're a lot less civilised in the first place.

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I think the way the lore has been presented in FFXIV may give the impression that the females are not cutthroat or fierce, but in XII they are. My point is that in the trailer the female viera shown are presented much softer than have been in the past (no claws, softer brows, their feet may or may not be less beast-like but we can't tell until that racial gear comes off). We are holding the males to a different standard if we can only accept them to look fierce when that fierceness wasn't really translated into the XIV model for female Viera. XIV has a poor track record when it comes to races representing lore as well but I feel that's been discussed to death in this thread.

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Originally Posted by cicatriz313

I mean, the concept art men looked pretty fierce and big too, though. Not sure what you're wanting, from the start of your post it sounds like you wanted softer men instead of the usual. Unless you mean you wanted the little boy viera concept art. Which nah no thanks, already playing a lala lol.

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No I'm not talking about the little boy viera lmao. I'm having a difficult time putting words to my thoughts right now and explaining any better than I already have. :/ I think I'll have to come back later and try to reword what I mean a little better.

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Originally Posted by cicatriz313

I imagine they made the destiny's child of Viera for that trailer only. We already have Fran as a model of less "sexy" more "fierce" Viera, so I hope we can make ours look similar to Fran.

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Yes I hope so as well.

Also tangentially related I was looking at Viera models in XII and thought the wood-warder NPC model was really interesting (and she has different tail ornament that kinda looks like an actual one). Just wanted to share lol
https://images-wixmp-ed30a86b8c4ca88...BSe5ix_T2Hzqp4
Also here's another set of XII models with some of the features I was mentioning for reference.
https://www.creativeuncut.com/galler...ff12-viera.jpg

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Originally Posted by Fland

There is a difference between a joke character and a character with some comedic moments or comedic attributes.
Yes Gosetsu have some comedic moments, but so do Tataru, Magnai, and even Thancred (the whole naked thing). I assume you don't think of them as joke characters?

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Again, taking what I said out of context. I said 'I'm not sure about that' obviously stating that I wasn't sure on male roe being a joke; but also going ahead and mentioning characters that were introduced as a joke. Honestly not sure what the issue is here nor why it's something to get defensive about. Two of those Roe's were a literal joke; they existed to just be idiotic comedy relief. As for Curious Gorge and his brother - they are the latter where they had comedic attributes.

Sorry for like, bringing this up again - but I despise it when someone takes what I say out of context and keeps on that directive when it's clearly not what I meant.

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As for Viera, honestly, I understand why Yoshida didn't want them to be cute. They shouldn't look adorable. The lore for male Viera has them as cold-blooded killers that were ripped from the warmth of their families and basically thrown to the wolves. They either make it or they die. A male viera will straight up kill you for just crossing paths. I imagine living in solitude for so long would have them be pretty feral and not liking cities that much, and if they are in the cities you're not going to see them. They'd be very adept at 'hiding'.

Of course, I don't agree with Yoshida flinching away because bunny men are 'weird' though - silly thinking.

Pft, can imagine them moving about like assassins creed type protags

I'm a huge fan of FFXII. It's one of my favourite games. It's a shame, then, that a lot of people who requested Viera didn't seem to actually want them because they wanted to play fierce protectors of the forest. They just wanted 'hot bunny women'. So I'm not at all surprised that the portrayal in FFXIV is very different to how they were in FFXII. They were always designed to be attractive, but the sex appeal was mitigated by how haughty and dignified they were. That was the case for both those living the wood and those like Fran who chose to leave and live amidst the other races.

I'm hoping that the Viera introduction video isn't reflective of how they'll be portrayed in FFXIV.

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Originally Posted by Theodric

I'm a huge fan of FFXII. It's one of my favourite games. It's a shame, then, that a lot of people who requested Viera didn't seem to actually want them because they wanted to play fierce protectors of the forest. They just wanted 'hot bunny women'. So I'm not at all surprised that the portrayal in FFXIV is very different to how they were in FFXII. They were always designed to be attractive, but the sex appeal was mitigated by how haughty and dignified they were. That was the case for both those living the wood and those like Fran who chose to leave and live amidst the other races.

I'm hoping that the Viera introduction video isn't reflective of how they'll be portrayed in FFXIV.

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There is still people now who are confused to why Fran doesn't have a tail. I also saw a lot of comments about how small her boobs were. It's really depressing that Viera are being shoved into this "fetish fuel" box when they were a genuinely awesome race of people.

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Originally Posted by Tsumdere

There is still people now who are confused to why Fran doesn't have a tail. I also saw a lot of comments about how small her boobs were. It's really depressing that Viera are being shoved into this "fetish fuel" box when they were a genuinely awesome race of people.

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Fran and the other viera that were showcased at the fanfest basically wear lingerie. It's not surprising that many are treating them like fan service at best, rather than a race in their own right. The lack of male presence from their race so far doesn't help either.

I honestly find that skimpy outfit off-putting. I don't mind having skimpy outfits in the game but SE showed us five viera altogether and they all look like they're from a brothel. At least one in moderately normal adventurer gear would have been nice.

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Originally Posted by Theodric

I'm hoping that the Viera introduction video isn't reflective of how they'll be portrayed in FFXIV.

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The seond biggest thing that bothered me about that teaser (the first being the absence of males, of course :D) was how this race of aloof, almost feral warriors suddenly because lingerie models with an added giggle at the end...

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Originally Posted by Penthea

Fran and the other viera that were showcased at the fanfest basically wear lingerie. It's not surprising that many are treating them like fan service at best, rather than a race in their own right. The lack of male presence from their race so far doesn't help either.

I honestly find that skimpy outfit off-putting. I don't mind having skimpy outfits in the game but SE showed us five viera altogether and they all look like they're from a brothel. At least one in moderately normal adventurer gear would have been nice.

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I’m still disappointed that they didn’t give them their own unique starting gear and just slapped Fran’s armor on there. I love Fran but it’s kinda lame and feels lazy.