With Apologies to Sena Bryer

Patron of Invention, Supporter of Invention, Protector/Gaurdian of Invention; Wuk Lamats Adventure with Koana rings a bell, she shows us around all City's Architecture detailing history importance, all throughout MSQ, goes on to learn more and teaching us significance of areas, Cultures of people and what theybuilt, she even constructs a Pillar Working together with Koana.

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Originally Posted by Hesitate89

Patron of Invention, Koana rings a bell, she shows us around City's Architecture detailing history importance, significance of cultures homes building like appraisers do.

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Your little theory is cute and all, but maybe talk about it in the other thread.

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Originally Posted by Hesitate89

Patron of Invention, Supporter of Invention, Protector/Gaurdian of Invention Koana rings a bell, she shows us around City's Architecture detailing history importance, significance of cultures homes building like appraisers do.

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Careful, you might break your arm with that reach.

idk half the replies to my post are just openly calling her a man

im sorry she offended you i guess but we don't have to pretend most of this isn't just about her being trans

Man, I'm such a boomer, I remember when people tried to have a personality instead of relying on labels.

nothing of reach just definitions of the word themselves in comparison. You are taking it very literal, but it's subtle and hidden in plain sight.

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Originally Posted by Squig

idk half the replies to my post are just openly calling her a man

im sorry she offended you i guess but we don't have to pretend most of this isn't just about her being trans

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We're not pretending. This isn't about her being trans.

Referring to Sena as a man may be disrespectful, but it isn't transphobia. If you really think that's all it takes, then that's honestly really sad.

At the end of the day, however, Sena has been showing how much of a terrible person she is. Trans or not. You'll find the majority of posts in this thread talking about exactly that.

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Originally Posted by Midare

Man, I'm such a boomer, I remember when people tried to have a personality instead of relying on labels.

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I miss those days so much, man...

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Originally Posted by Squig

idk half the replies to my post are just openly calling her a man

im sorry she offended you i guess but we don't have to pretend most of this isn't just about her being trans

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No, only one person who replied to you called her a man.
The rest of us either pointed out her disgusting behaviour or said "gtfo".

I'm gay, my partner is gay and I have a trans (female to male) family member. I'm as trans ally as they come ---- being trans doesn't excuse being a manipulative attention seeker who openly and deliberately instigates drama within our community and insults the fans.

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Originally Posted by Squig

idk half the replies to my post are just openly calling her a man

im sorry she offended you i guess but we don't have to pretend most of this isn't just about her being trans

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half the replies to your post are based and sneedpilled.
Cope and sneed.

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Originally Posted by Midare

Man, I'm such a boomer, I remember when people tried to have a personality instead of relying on labels.

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This was literally never the case.

Jock, nerd, goth, provider, homemaker, entrepreneur, job creator, carpetbagger, whatever. People use labels to inflate themselves, deflate others, and find community. I don't find them useful, but who cares? What's weirder is someone defining their identity in opposition to someone's personal labels. Like, what are you doing?

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Originally Posted by Squig

idk half the replies to my post are just openly calling her a man

im sorry she offended you i guess but we don't have to pretend most of this isn't just about her being trans

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Odd, it's mostly people like yourself that keep bringing it back to her being trans. Most of us simply don't care about that, and can judge individuals by the strength of their character and defensibility of their actions.

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Originally Posted by Hesitate89

nothing of reach just definitions of the word themselves in comparison. You are taking it very literal, but it's subtle and hidden in plain sight.

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It is a reach, because Koana is innovative, and Koana is not Poochie.

Also, showing us buildings is not "appraising".

In Encyclopedia Eorzea he's "The Innovator - Appraiser of architecture and patron of invention." All things Poochie doesn't display at all.

Meanwhile, you're going off on the seat's name alone because she's kind?

Yeah, it is a reach. She's not the only kind person in Eitherys, not to mention that she's been alive for at least 20 years, and Gaius sent him back to the shadow realm not that long ago so you can't even claim reincarnation.

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Originally Posted by koko-on-da-forumz

This was literally never the case.

Jock, nerd, goth, provider, homemaker, entrepreneur, job creator, carpetbagger, whatever. People use labels to inflate themselves, deflate others, and find community. I don't find them useful, but who cares? What's weirder is someone defining their identity in opposition to someone's personal labels. Like, what are you doing?

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No, those were labels given by others, not used willingly. People wanted to live their lives aside from whatever was used as a way to separate them.

And what am I doing? Living my life?

I don't rely on labels, I just am. That's life.

Appraisers conduct site visits and document property features, comparing them against similar properties.
Did we not just do that this expansion.

It doesn't have to be literal Market Value.

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Originally Posted by Hesitate89

Appraisers conduct site visits and document property features, comparing them against similar properties.
Did we not just do that this expansion

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No...?

We were guiding a native princess through her own land because she couldn't be bothered to "know her people" her entire life?

Did you play the xpac?

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Originally Posted by Hesitate89

Appraisers conduct site visits and document property features, comparing them against similar properties.
Did we not just do that this expansion.

It doesn't have to be literal Market Value.

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I mean... wouldn't that just imply anyone who was with us could be the appraiser in that scenario?

Yeah we did, she literally shown us around Tural, Visiting all Sites, went over and discussed many cultures buildings customs, even before she showed us Tural, she compared properties in Eorzea to New World.

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Originally Posted by Hesitate89

Appraisers conduct site visits and document property features, comparing them against similar properties.
Did we not just do that this expansion.

It doesn't have to be literal Market Value.

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https://media3.giphy.com/media/v1.Y2...eLg/giphy.webp

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Originally Posted by Squig

idk half the replies to my post are just openly calling her a man

im sorry she offended you i guess but we don't have to pretend most of this isn't just about her being trans

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I'm sorry but when a Lead VA of a world acclaimed game call the player base of said game for not liking it a let me get the full thing quickly:

racist transphobic misogynistic narcissistic heteronormative bigot I believe there is a problem and then I am not even referring to the hate said VA has been spewing all over the internet

but sure, let them get away with everything from blaming transphobia for them not getting a job as a VA to basically forcing another female VA to quit their job because in Sena's eyes the female VA was not "suited" for the role sure let's forget all this hateful rhetoric.

while the same people that says the above celebrates a singer's career being destroyed because they liked a support against child transition post 3 years ago and follow Jordan Peterson.

so, the double standard is seen and the people bashing this VA is due to their toxic personality overall, when they made it into a race and gender issue instead of accepting a critique that a game is badly written and not on par with what it needs to be half the player base did not even know who Sena Bryer was until said VA started making it into a stink because they are trans and that is their entire identity.

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Originally Posted by Hesitate89

Yeah we did, she literally shown us around Tural, Visiting all Sites, went over and discussed many cultures buildings customs, even before she showed us Tural, she compared properties in Eorzea to New World.

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we went over Tural sure but someone who grew up in it that per you discussed cultures is just not correct Wuk Lamat knew next to nothing about any of those cultures; the people from said culture showed us their culture Wuk Lamat is basically a child with no knowledge and only happiness (Naive personality) they could have replaced them with a child and it would have been exactly the same effect running around being amazed at what others show us.

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Originally Posted by Hesitate89

Yeah we did, she literally shown us around Tural, Visiting all Sites, went over and discussed many cultures buildings customs, even before she showed us Tural, she compared properties in Eorzea to New World.

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she learned just as much as we did, considering she only knew of the comfort of the palace walls which she explicitly tells us

let the ascians and ancients rest

https://i.imgur.com/oLuQ5ot.jpeg

https://imgur.com/gallery/title-ZlFTG4t

I'm just leaving this here... embedding's fighting me.

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Originally Posted by Achereon

we went over Tural sure but someone who grew up in it that per you discussed cultures is just not correct Wuk Lamat knew next to nothing about any of those cultures; the people from said culture showed us their culture Wuk Lamat is basically a child with no knowledge and only happiness (Naive personality) they could have replaced them with a child and it would have been exactly the same effect running around being amazed at what others show us.

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I'm still confused about how Wuk Lamat can be Deudalaphon if Deudalaphon was alive and around when Wuk Lamat was (at the youngest) a teenager.

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Originally Posted by Hesitate89

Yeah we did, she literally shown us around Tural, Visiting all Sites, went over and discussed many cultures buildings customs, even before she showed us Tural, she compared properties in Eorzea to New World.

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She showed us?

She couldn't even remember the name of the hanu hanu festival she supposedly enjoyed so much the one time she went, didn't know anything about the history of the pelu pelu, or how the potsworn operate. Never even seen a yok huy or even knew the typical dish of the xbr'aal, not to mention she never even visited her dad's home town and the place Ketenramm lived at despite seeing him almost like an uncle.

She shows us around?

She had at least 15 years to "know her people", and she had to go to a foreign country, to find a foreign bodyguard to tour her own nation... and she showed us around??

Noting that this thread has successfully been derailed into discussion speculation about Wuk Lamat because of a single individual.

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Originally Posted by Sivante

I'm still confused about how Wuk Lamat can be Deudalaphon if Deudalaphon was alive and around when Wuk Lamat was (at the youngest) a teenager.

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I guess some people just want to try and justify the existance of a character that for me is worse than the twins ARR

If you are going to bring up Personality, that is coming from the Title of Deudelaphon, The Benevolent, she acts as benevolent person would, this is her journey as self discovery, rather than experiencing it through echo witnessing people memories of it, we are there 1st hand, seeing former Scion of Light, be it reincarnated in some way like many other characters have.

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Originally Posted by Achereon

I guess some people just want to try and justify the existance of a character that for me is worse than the twins ARR

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Ouch. Just, Ouch.

yes actually referring to a trans woman as a man is transphobic, hope this helps

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Originally Posted by Sivante

I'm still confused about how Wuk Lamat can be Deudalaphon if Deudalaphon was alive and around when Wuk Lamat was (at the youngest) a teenager.

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There's absolutely no connection.

The only thing that person is going of on it's on the etimology of the name and the reference to FFXII.

I guess Poochie is now the only character to fit the characteristic of "kind" in all of Eitherys or something.

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Originally Posted by Squig

yes actually referring to a trans woman as a man is transphobic, hope this helps

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If the criteria is going to be that lax, then why should anyone care about being labeled transphobic?

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Originally Posted by Midare

There's absolutely no connection.

The only thing that person is going of on it's on the etimology of the name and the reference to FFXII.

I guess Poochie is now the only character to fit the characteristic of "kind" in all of Eitherys or something.

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I guess that makes all Dragoons eligible to the seat of Emet-Selch, given how much time they spend lifeless on the floor.

astute nooticers will find it interesting how many of the posts in this thread refer to a singular woman (who self IDs as she/her/ella) as "they"

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Originally Posted by Sivante

I guess that makes all Dragoons eligible to the seat of Emet-Selch, given how much time they spend lifeless on the floor.

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*Estinien wants to know your location.*

We don't know Wuk Lamats Age either, only clue of her age is Namika, who appeared young when she mentioned the story of Wuk Lamat

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Originally Posted by Squig

astute nooticers will find it interesting how many of the posts in this thread refer to a singular woman (who self IDs as she/her/ella) as "they"

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I've been avoiding engaging with your repeated rhetoric, but this one irks me. They is a gender neutral term. It was, has been, and will continue to be used to refer to individuals without malice or direction of gendered language. Even if it bothers you, I'd point you in the direction of the social movements that pushed so hard for it to be a gender neutral term. This is an intellectually dishonest dog-whistle. People being transphobic is awful, but if you draw the line to transphobia at basic distinctions of a functional language than you're doing more harm to the cause than help.

Hanlon's Razor. Never ascribe to malice that which can be adequately explained by ignorance.

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Originally Posted by Squig

yes actually referring to a trans woman as a man is transphobic, hope this helps

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You have quite the skill in selective reading, if that is the only thing you singled out from over 1100 replies and over 100 pages. As I stated before, I don't care if she is trans, she's just a despicable person.

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Originally Posted by Sivante

I've been avoiding engaging with your repeated rhetoric, but this one irks me. They is a gender neutral term. It was, has been, and will continue to be used to refer to individuals without malice or direction of gendered language. Even if it bothers you, I'd point you in the direction of the social movements that pushed so hard for it to be a gender neutral term. This is an intellectually dishonest dog-whistle. People being transphobic is awful, but if you draw the line to transphobia at basic distinctions of a functional language than you're doing more harm to the cause than help.

Hanlon's Razor. Never ascribe to malice that which can be adequately explained by ignorance.

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Just further proof that nothing you do will ever be good enough for these types. Even using "they" is now an affront to everything they (oops) believe in.

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Originally Posted by Sivante

I guess that makes all Dragoons eligible to the seat of Emet-Selch, given how much time they spend lifeless on the floor.

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love this response laughed so hard

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Originally Posted by Squig

yes actually referring to a trans woman as a man is transphobic, hope this helps

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Biologically Sena is a man that is not transphobic. I say this as someone who is trans. I cannot force people to accept my delusions of being a women. If they do great but if they don't that does not mean they are denying my existence or humanity.

End of the day I was born a man I can try to hide and mask it all I want still a man, as is Sena.

Edit: I became trans cause of how I feel, and what makes me comfortable my truth does not override biology or perception.

it's all those things and also a convenient way to avoid properly gendering someone whose gender you don't actually recognize. I don't think everyone who refers to her as "they" is a foaming-at-the-mouth transphobe because there are a lot of ways to be tacitly and accidentally transphobic (and nobody has to be burnt at the stake for that kind of thing!!!) but I also think pretending that everyone who is actively malicious actually just has no clue what they're doing or saying at any given point in time is just as silly.

Ask yourself: would you refer to Y'shtola's voice actor as "they" even if you didn't know her name? What about Urianger's? Let's be real here, the answer is no.