People who can't do AOE rotations in 70+ Content

So we're fine with tanks not using their AoE's, yeah?

Not doing the bare minimum, as not using your AOE among many other examples, is not a play style. It is plain griefing. Paying your sub doesn't mean you can play the way you want. This is an online game and if you are inside a group / party you must do at least the minimum that is expected from you, otherwise you are deliberately ruining the experience for your teammates. If you are doing solo instances or anything that doesn't involve others players, sure, do what you want. If not, quit being a troll and play the game straight.

Being a bad player because you are new to the game is one thing, but being a bad player at level cap because you chose to stay bad? No, this is not acceptable.

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Originally Posted by ViniciusGGR

Not doing the bare minimum, as not using your AOE among many other examples, is not a play style. It is plain griefing. Paying your sub doesn't mean you can play the way you want. This is an online game and if you are inside a group / party you must do at least the minimum that is expected from you, otherwise you are deliberately ruining the experience for your teammates. If you are doing solo instances or anything that doesn't involve others players, sure, do what you want. If not, quit being a troll and play the game straight.

Being a bad player because you are new to the game is one thing, but being a bad player at level cap because you chose to stay bad? No, this is not acceptable.

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You think you can judge other players? Who are you? I don't know and I don't care what you think. If you don't like it don't queue with duty finder.

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Originally Posted by Nestama

So we're fine with tanks not using their AoE's, yeah?

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This just happened to me in Cutter's Cry, and on top of that she didn't have Iron Will up. And yes, both the Ninja and I asked her to turn on Iron Will, she just ignored it. The Reaper did a far better job at tanking the mobs anyway.

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Originally Posted by Reap00

You think you can judge other players? Who are you? I don't know and I don't care what you think. If you don't like it don't queue with duty finder.

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It seems the cap fits you. Troll.

You either are one of those people that do what I said, or you defend them. In any case, you are wrong.

If you care or not, I couldn't be more indifferent about that, but do you really not care? Replying to me with all this anger shows otherwise, miss.

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Originally Posted by Aneshda

There is no rule how someone should play his Char / Job.
None told you to do a Wall to Wall pull.
None told a Healer just to Heal now and then and let DD's / Tanks die over and over again, cause a Rezz is cheaper.
Hate how other Players, play their Job?
Then go Trusts or make your own Party / Raid.
Stop to tell others how to play, that is toxic and we are not in WoW.
You cry cause you had a Dungeon Run which needet 2-5 Minutes longer as normal ... OMG we are all doomed!

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Originally Posted by Reap00

You think you can judge other players? Who are you? I don't know and I don't care what you think. If you don't like it don't queue with duty finder.

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Deluded toxicity at its finest. It's so funny that the people who are so against expecting people to at least *try* in GROUP content and call others toxic are the one who are usually the most toxic themselves.

Eh, it's a problem but whether people like it or not the behaviour is already 'encouraged' by the current design allowing for such drastic levels of leeway. Whilst that remains to be the case, and whilst there is no real encouragement beyond self-satisfaction with learning, then people will just continue to play without bothering to learn.

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Originally Posted by FireMage

You gave all the information needed, I invented nothing. How does one hit 60 and not pick up some of what other people are doing? Like y'all (royal you) have eyes, right?

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Ayy, I'll reply this properly but its kinda tiring.

I said I struggled making the switch from Summoner to Scholar because my Summoner was Lv60-odd and I hadn't touched Scholar before that, so it felt in at the deep end, and that I don't think co-levelling two totally different jobs from one class is a good idea. You then took that and invented some rubbish about not reading tooltips and terrible, terrible, terrible. I didn't say it was an utter shitshow and I didn't know what I was doing, it was just rough and I didn't feel SE's design was the best. You invented that yourself.

You did exactly the same thing in our first exchange in the parser thread, going off on some weird tangent about hating each other because I don't agree about how FFXIV should handle something, and even when I told you that you were being ridiculous, you carried on with it.

Like, seriously. You aren't coming across as a knowledgeable player with this stuff, you're coming across as a bit... dunno... unhealthy.


In regards to the second point, I tend to pay more attention to what my own job is doing. While you're right, playing XIV is easier than learning to drive a car, the point still stands. You do not learn how to play a job well from reading tooltips and watching others. You learn through doing, otherwise nobody would ever wipe. Just read some tooltips and watch a few YT videos and you'll clear the entire MSQ and Extreme Trials flawlessly. Except, thats not what happens because thats not how it works.

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Originally Posted by Kaurhz

Eh, it's a problem but whether people like it or not the behaviour is already 'encouraged' by the current design allowing for such drastic levels of leeway. Whilst that remains to be the case, and whilst there is no real encouragement beyond self-satisfaction with learning, then people will just continue to play without bothering to learn.

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This. Period.

There exist folks who would give out useful advices. But if that fell on the deaf ears, then the game has to be the one telling them: punishing that mistake. The game just don’t have many of those outside EX & higher.

Thankfully vote dismiss exist but that’s fifty-fifty /shrug

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Originally Posted by Rein_eon_Osborne

This. Period.

There exist folks who would give out useful advices. But if that fell on the deaf ears, then the game has to be the one telling them: punishing that mistake. The game just don’t have many of those outside EX & higher.

Thankfully vote dismiss exist but that’s fifty-fifty /shrug

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I mean the ToS DOES have a bit about lethargic gameplay being forbidden. But yeah, the game does a horrible job of teaching people how to play. It's silly.