They Should Add An Official Damage Meter With One Condition

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Originally Posted by Azuri

Of course. And I can just as easily avoid grouping with you by either not joining your parties or removing you from mine. And we would both be happier for it.

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Exactly. I am thrilled we aren't on the same world or DC. We never will have to encounter one another. Be blessed.

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Originally Posted by DynnDiablos

End of the day, MY DPS is none of your business.

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Keep on doing you dude..... I'm just glad I will never have to play with you =)

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Originally Posted by LisSquid

Got some bad news as to how all guides determined rotations and weaving windows.

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And should I care? Those things aren't becoming more or less relevant regardless of if we made Damage Tracker Obligatory or not. Besides isn't it a known fact that Ninja's rotation during ShB was determined by a guy who tested it out on dummy without using ACT or FFlogs? Or will you tell me that my Black Mage is a rocket science that nobody would figure out without ACT?

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Originally Posted by DynnDiablos

Based on whose standards? I know my rotation. I know my job very well. So who is the one to judge me and determine whether I am contributing or not when I know the mechanics, my rotation, etc?

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I've seen plenty of people claim that they know their rotation and class very well. Some lived up to it, others not so much. Why should a party take the word of a stranger as the holy truth? Your performance is their business, the degree depending on the content you're doing of course and to say that in team content your performance is your business alone is selfish.
But if you play as well as you say than you having nothing to fear anyway, correct?

But if the majority decides that whatever you do is not enough then they can remove you and that is fine as long as they're not being rude about it. Removing someone from their party for whatever reason is not the same as insulting after all.

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Originally Posted by Jaquan

And should I care? Those things aren't becoming more or less relevant regardless of if we made Damage Tracker Obligatory or not. Besides isn't it a known fact that Ninja's rotation during ShB was determined by a guy who tested it out on dummy without using ACT or FFlogs? Or will you tell me that my Black Mage is a rocket science that nobody would figure out without ACT?

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You might have chosen the worst possible example because with BLM you can actually go to the level of optimization where ACT and things like manatick tracker are neccessary. You wouldn't even be able to discover such basic concept as caster tax without precise timestamps from logs.

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Originally Posted by DynnDiablos

You know you can easily block your logs. I do. And it is not out of shame. My DPS is none of your business.

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Ah, but I can also look at you on the Lodestone and see that you don't have any Savage achievements.

Edit: Or any recent Extremes, for that matter. What's the point of being all up in arms about logging when you're not doing anything that's going to be logged in the first place?

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Originally Posted by Azuri

You might have chosen the worst possible example because with BLM you can actually go to the level of optimization where ACT and things like manatick tracker are neccessary. You wouldn't even be able to discover such basic concept as caster tax without precise timestamps from logs.

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Interesting. Weirdly enough no guide I found on BLM even mentioned those concepts. Not going too dismiss claims though since it is obvious to me that when it comes to FFXIV you are my senior. And I picked it because for whatever reason that's the job I chose to display on my profile and the one I enjoy quite a bit.

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Originally Posted by Rilifane

I've seen plenty of people claim that they know their rotation and class very well. Some lived up to it, others not so much. Why should a party take the word of a stranger as the holy truth? Your performance is their business, the degree depending on the content you're doing of course and to say that in team content your performance is your business alone is selfish.
But if you play as well as you say than you having nothing to fear anyway, correct?

But if the majority decides that whatever you do is not enough then they can remove you and that is fine as long as they're not being rude about it. Removing someone from their party for whatever reason is not the same as insulting after all.

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I have seen this so many times as well. Generally the people who say they know their job very well but are adamantly anti-data truly think they do know their job well, when in fact they don't and just have never encountered anything in the game to prove them otherwise and would head in the sand if data was available to prove them otherwise. Bruised egos and all of that, many gamers have an ego that they are one of the best and anyone below them is a scrub and anyone above them is a no-life or a cheat.

It's the whole "I have never encountered anything in the game that has given me trouble, so I must be playing well" feedback loop as they blast through normal mode content, get carried through an EX and never enter Savage or above.

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Originally Posted by DynnDiablos

End of the day, MY DPS is none of your business.

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It is if you're in a GROUP setting where other people's enjoyment possibly relies on you being competent.

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Originally Posted by Rolder50

Ah, but I can also look at you on the Lodestone and see that you don't have any Savage achievements.

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lol I'm noticing a common occurrence