Instead of cutting Ultimate from 5.5 why not cut bozja?

Why is it that toxic threads like this always persist for DAYS..

Can we not just make a post about how dissatisfied we are about what we are dissatisfied with, instead of asking rediculous questions like this? :L

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Originally Posted by LyraleiManagem

And personally what frustrates me most is they didnt announce it when 5.4 was out. They are fully aware that a lot of players formed static, pushed for week 1 and grind for BiS for ultimate. If the fight is 70% done now it would be pretty obvious they were also behind back then.
As many rightfully mentioned here, people who care about ultimate raid is a minority and their sub doesnt matter, why dont they announce it earlier to save those people’s time and money.

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this is my major issue with the whole thing; they knew it wasn't going to happen in time, and they said sweet FA for 8 weeks.

@OP: as far as i gather, ultimate wasnt "cut", it just wasn't ready by whatever internal deadlines they had set for content between internal matters and covid delays (going so far as yoshi bringing out the ShB project manager in person to explain exactly how his job works and what it entails, including scheduling deadlines and other overheads).

so it has simply been given the time it needs to get completed properly, which will be by 6.1

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Originally Posted by DamianFatale

Why is it that toxic threads like this always persist for DAYS..

Can we not just make a post about how dissatisfied we are about what we are dissatisfied with, instead of asking rediculous questions like this? :L

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I'd say only people who are invested enough (certainly more than the average player) would even bother loggin in here in the first place(I'm no exception lol), so I understand why tensions can be a bit on the high side. I don't really mind. The overwhelming majority is decent people in real life I'm sure.

Same with the players you meet in game. Almost all I meet are really nice. I just think in this echo chamber people conflate what the vocal minority says with what the majority of players are like.

And as much as it sucks to loose your preferred content, imagine YoshiP would have cut parts of the MSQ to preserve Ultimate. Imagine [that] shitstorm. lol
SE can't please everyone so they went with what mathematically makes sense. I'm not saying I always like it myself but it's the most sensible thing to do when you think about it, unless I'm forgetting a few details.

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Originally Posted by Rymi64

This your alt account?

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Isn't it obvious?

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Originally Posted by LyraleiManagem

Unless they release 3 ultimates in EW then it is cancelled.

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And if they release 3 Ultimate Trials during next expansion, what then?

Seems like y'all are panicking too early.

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Originally Posted by Halivel

Or maybe SE should be allowed to develop the game with concept they want to, not to follow WoW steps to only be shamed for this couple of years later because that's what this player base will inevitably do at some point.

FF14 isn't perfect or something and there are tons of things they can and should improve (and they do, although sometimes slower than wanted), but if you love WoW raid system so much - maybe FF14 raiding just isn't for you. This game's primary focus never was in raids nor raiders, it was and is in story and social interactions outside of dungeons (as much as it's unpopular on the west).

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I love how some of you are giving reason to FFXI players with this type of argument, the excuse of social interactions and history is bad when all this was achieved by FFXI.

You are trying to say that FFXIV is a simulator of social interactions like Second Life instead of an MMORPG like GW2, Wow, BDO, PSO2.

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Originally Posted by Anzaman

And if they release 3 Ultimate Trials during next expansion, what then?

Seems like y'all are panicking too early.

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The problem is ... why should we trust? It is not that the content that has been removed to be able to put another type there returned, since Stormblood has not seen a second dungeon per patch

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Originally Posted by Jojoya

This isn't a raid-centric game, unlike WoW.

I'd rather not watch SE make the mistakes that Blizzard made to drive so many players from WoW.

If you think WoW is the better game, you'd be better off playing it.

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?????
Blizzard's errors with Wow come from very different situations, blaming the content of "Raid" is having no idea and what's more, the raid content along with the PVP are the reasons why people continue to play the game.

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Originally Posted by Nayout

The problem is ... why should we trust? It is not that the content that has been removed to be able to put another type there returned, since Stormblood has not seen a second dungeon per patch

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Yeah, I know - I miss having 2 dungeons / patch.

But like, I've waited the entire expansion for some possibility of any new hairstyle for Viera, and even thought they mentioned how we'd be getting them - just been absolute silence on that front. So trust isn't exactly at highest for me either.

Just quick question i dont know if people have asked this haven't read all the posts, But i have seen people say if there will be not 3 ultimate they are cutting it or something like that what i want to know? is it confirm that we would get 2 ultimate in Ew or are people just assuming that just because we got 2 in the past or something. because if that the case it feels like the tank and healer thing before the shb and people got mad because what the they assumed was wrong

It helpful to think about what kind of content Ultimates are, what they require from a development perspective, and what is happening in Endwalker.

Ultimate's are finely tuned raid fights, require a ton of playtesting, a ton of math, and have to be perfectly adjusted.
Endwalker is giving us a stat squish, where various fights throughout the entire game will need to be rebalanced, new stat values calculated, etc.
So its likely the same people working on both of these projects.

Rushing out Ultimates would mean delaying that stat squish, and they clearly don't want to wait until 7.0 to do that. Even if they did, that would just mean delaying the next Ultimate, so just kicking the can down the road.

Nothing to do with Bozja.